Do you think lance is doping? yes or no

KMKS

seriously...

smnw10

after reading the first 3 pages...

I would like to think he isn't doping, and that all other cyclists aren't....it wouldn't suprise me if 99% of pro cyclists are doping (or pro atheletes in all sports for that matter ), but if that many are, are they not at an equal level? It's not like saying lance is doping and the other TOP pro cyclists aren't...if lance is i'd have to say Jan, Tyler, Vino, Basso, etc are as well.

Beastt

Apparently, while being very familiar with displaced aggression, you're not aware of the mechanics of it nor do you recognize it even while you're displaying it. It seems a fairly obvious conclusion that your anger isn't toward Lance Armstrong. It's toward your biological father. The really sad part is that you can rant, rave, point fingers, call names and stomp up and down about Lance all you want and it won't help you overcome the anger you feel for your real father.

It's sometimes good to remember that just because one does breed doesn't mean that he should breed.

Roadie_scum

Dude. Freud is discredited and passe. How do you feel now?

(Not redirecting my anger from my father towards you)

Tuschinski

Some fuel for the fire:

Amfetamins aren't just for during the race. Steven Rooks for example used it so he could train harder. A common tactic used to be:

1. Amfetamine and train like hell
2. Repair the damage by steroids etc.

Nowadays I conveniently imagine a 3d step: Epo.

I am also 100% sure Tennisplayers, F1 drivers etc dope...

1. They (can) use steroids to recover from injuries.
2. Extra musclemass counts for every sport (esp F1!)
3. Considering the risk vs. gains it seems inevitable they take the juice. You can win millions and immortality, of course you use everything you can to get that edge.

On my stance towards Lance.

1. I believe he (and every other rider) dopes.
2. I also believe he is by far the best TdF racer in the field. and deserves my respect for that.

These statements aren't mutually exclusive.

Why do I believe he dopes?

1. Everyone dopes. Doping is obviously undetectable (!!!) as many pro-cyclists have proven. Considering the stakes it seems naive to say pro's don't take dope. Yes, it's no fact, it's my opinion.
2. I am a broken record: Considering the risk vs. gains it seems inevitable they take the juice. You can win millions and immortality, of course you use everything you can to get that edge.

And yeah I am prejudiced. I would sell my soul for the chance of becoming pro (I am 33 year old B-cat and still have those silly fantasies). I would sell more for being succesful. For winning a TdF I think the sky is the limit for what I would be wanting to sacrifice. Truth to be told, I think most of us here have or had similar dreams/feelings in the past.

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meehs

Hahaha! Freud may be passe but not all of his theories have been discredited. Displaced anger is quite real. And Beastt nailed it square in the seeds! That guy has some serious issues.

Roadie_scum

Yeah, but none have been proved. And anyway, I never said that guy didn't have issues.

meehs

Heh! Yeah I know. I didn't mean to point any fingers. Just trying to make a point. It's cool.

Beastt

Anger displacement isn't just Freudian. It's a standard part of cognitive phsychology. Perhaps the better question, seeing as how you felt the need to respond to a post not intended for or toward you would be; how do you feel now? Has any of that self-doubt subsided or do we simply feel more satisfied with the continued construction of the false-self?

Roadie_scum

No worries

Roadie_scum

I'd say it has its roots in Freud - it's theoretical and psycho-analytical.



Fine, thanks for asking.



No. It pains me constantly.



My false self could beat up your false self.

Beastt

ROFL!!

Damn, that was good!

Roadie_scum

Cheers, I hoped someone would enjoy it. Good to see we are finally reaching an understanding.

run_and_ride

And what is the name for when a pompous, self-aggrandizing moron goes on a psycho-babble tirade to protect someone that he doesn't know and who probably wouldn't get off his Madone to piss on his head if it was on fire.

Is their a big word for that?

Better yet, what do you call it when someone is so bitter they won't even acknowledge their bioligical father and then leaves his own wife and kids, furthering the cycle of abandonment?

You seem like such a smart guy. I am sure you have those answers.