why is just armstrong accused of doping?

Weisse Luft

The reason for Lance's dominance is not due to drugs. Its quite simple and no secret.

He knows his body.

He knows the courses.

He knows his team.

Mix these three with a great Director Sportiff and you have a winning combination. No drugs, no secrets.

mojomarc

Or, at least, no more drugs than anyone else. After all, it is perfectly possible that the entire peloton is chock full of drugs. But of course the entire peloton being chock full of drugs is no reason to just focus on the drugs that supposedly LA is taking. That seemed to be the point of Hampstead's letter.

Weisse Luft

"Chock full of drugs"? Pure fabrication. There is NO WAY for ANY drug use save EPO/blood doping to escape detection. No way.

While the semi-technical here know the sensivity of HPLC and GC-MS in detection of urine metabolites, there are other, more sensitive techniques which include ELISA based tests. But just like the aforementioned methods, a test can only look for known dopants. But I am waiting on the detractors here to identify what unknown and undectable dopants are in use. Please inform instead of speculating.

gntlmn

He was the number 1 ranked cyclist in the world in 1996, and then later that year, he was diagnosed with cancer and almost died. Going from #1 ranked cyclist to TdF champion does not seem to be a stretch to me considering that Tour champions typically mature in their late 20's, not early 20's. Lance was 24 when he came down with cancer. The fact that Limerickman continues to omit these facts and continues to point to a huge disparity that does not exist is very biased. The win/loss record is explainable by factors posted elsewhere in this forum.

mojomarc

While I tend to agree with you, I also am unwilling to dismiss outright that unknown and undectable substances are in use. That was my point, not to accuse anyone of anything. After all, the gulf between someone trying a substance and that substance being used widely enough that it becomes a known doping agent can be pretty long.

Weisse Luft

In spirit, taking some XYZ substance which isn't on the banned list might seem illegal. But as long as the list only states specific agents, their classes and actions, its legal. Ginseng, ginger and guarana extract are legal, to a limit.

The accusation of Lance using EPO is pure fantasy. EPO does only one thing and that is to increase hematocrit and evidence of its use is patently clear when the testing protocols are followed unless the cyclist has been living at Mt. Everest base camp for a month.

The Europeans who spew this rumor need to have the Allied victory over Nazi Germany reversed, just for their world.

MGM

Who's to say lance (or any other rider) isn't using some sort of new doping substance, that is not tested for???

MGM

Just also wanted to mention, in the past 5 tours, the idea of lance doping has never crossed my mind. However, this year, I have really thought about it hard, and I think there are some compelling signs (to me) for and against his doping.

For 1, a thing that really stuck out to me is that lance ALWAYS had much more energy than any of his rivals at the end of the mountain stages. It was pretty shocking how he had the energy to be able to pull back Kloden.

However, I think to myself, and there is so much contradicting that. Lance has an amazing team, so he saves energy there, and also, his training prepares him very well for that situation.

So what gives?

antoineg

You are full of BS. David Millar admits to doping with EPO, yet (to my knowledge) has never tested positive. If you are so sure that there is NO WAY (to use your big capital letters) for EPO users to escape detection, then how does that happen?

Raimondas Rumsas' wife Edita was detained in 2002.



Rumsas did not test positive until 2003. Can you believe that Rumsas was NOT taking EPO in 2002? If so, how did he evade the tests for a whole year (or more)?

antoineg

LOL -- In my haste I didn't read your message for the double negative. You are apparently saying that EPO users CAN evade doping tests.

So we are on the same page here.

MGM

no he didnt say that

antoineg

I believe he did: (emphasis added by me)



So he's saying he believes that EPO and blood doping users can escape detection.

Weisse Luft

To a LIMITED extent. The effects of EPO are IDENTICAL to high altitude training or simulants like hypobaric chambers, both total or partial pressure modifications. One can achieve a dangerous hematocrit from these permitted methods which is one reason it is tested.

limerickman

Performance enhancing drug THG, was not on any proscribed IOC, USADA,
WADA list - yet the use of the drug is being used to prosecute those cheats who used it.