Armstrong/Seimoni Round 2...

gntlmn

Get on your bike, ride 100 miles, do not pass GO, do not collect $100.

You'll feel much better.

rejobako

Exactly; I'm on record many times over that I don't particularly "like" Lance Armstrong's personality. What I do is admire the tenacity and dedication he applies to the goal he has set for himself. Many of his admirers may indeed consider him a hero. I consider him a damned good cyclist who is the subject of the most intense scrutiny of any professional cyclist, yet who has not once failed to pass a drug test. Does this mean he is not doping? No. But to suggest that the issue should be decided on the weight of popular opinion rather than proven allegations is interesting, to say the least. In other words, if you can't prove it, just throw the rumor out there and let the envious sniping commence.

limerickman

I did 50 miles tonight (3hrs 2 mins) - on top of cycling and racing every day since last Saturday.

Tiredness has set in.

old age......loss of appetite.........unfit.............(continued on page 723)

Perro Loco

Get some rest and good luck on your next race

here is a reference on the hGH test.

http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=367

Unfortunately, I don't think this is going to do much. GH primary assumed benefit is as an anabolic aid (also lipolytic- gee no fat!!!) and it's effects will persist for greater than a week. This is like the London and chicago marathons advertising they where testing athletes for epo.

Ted B

Plenty of might this and might that. The only fact of the matter is for whatever might be, there is an equally plausible argument for why it might not not be that gets conveniently dismissed by the usual conspiracy theorists.

There might exist something we call the Loch Ness Monster. Circumstantial accounts and opinions abound. You'd be hard-pressed to prove that one as well.

meehs

I really don't want to open up a whole can of worms. I'm as exhausted as Limerickman is with this topic! Anyway, another poster already (graciously) pointed out that your list is pretty much hogwash. But since you've made the above statement twice now, I'd like to know just to satisfy my own curiousity...

Exactly which former USPS riders have accused Armstrong of doping? Please give the names and site your source.

flintman

Look at it from another perspective, what "if" Simeoni is telling the truth? None of us know. If he is, then what's the cycling public's verdict then?

Simeoni vs Armstrong seems to be about the comments Simeoni made concerning Ferrari's medical influence/encouragement regarding doping in Simeoni's situation, and the subsquent uproar isn't it? My guess is that Simeoni was there and LA wasn't?

Too many people seem to dismiss Simeoni's word simply because he isn't the 6 time winner of the TDF compared to the other party. Let's let it sort out, then cast stones. Simeoni could very well be telling the truth. None of us currently know what actually happened between Simeoni and Ferrari, including LA.

Ted B

And no one outside of those two will probably ever really know.

Jakebrake

I come home after a hard days work and have to read all that?? Whew! You people wear me out.

mojomarc

If they are the primary worldwide company for the development of HGH, they are keeping it awfully quiet. Not a word of it in their annual reports (I'm a stockholder), nor any product listing for HGH. In fact, the vast majority of their product lines are for (get this, conspiracy theorists) the treatment of metastatic cancers, which incidently exactly what Armstrong had.

For the record, unless you think I'm making stuff up as your Southampton University person seems to, their primary product lines are for the treatment of HIV, the treatment of metastatic cancers, the treatment of type 2 diabetes, infant formula (Enfamil), wound treatments, antibiotics/anti-microbials, Parkinsons Disease, anti-depressents and blood thinners/cholesterol reducers/blood pressure regulators (which is arguably the only thing you can say that Armstrong could be currently taking that would benefit him). But no HGH or rHGH. None even listed in their targets for development. Not to say they might not have one, but if they were the largest out there, as you imply, you'd think they'd say at least *something* about it once, anywhere, instead of never and nowhere.

For the record, the largest producer of HGH in the US is Sorono (by far, as they are the third largest pharm company in the world), followed by Genentech and Novo-Nordisk (although I'm not sure of the order there). Sorry to burst your bubble there.

After going over every revenue-producing product line that BMS has to verify this, I think I need to now take advantage of one of their products: I have an Excedrin headache.

mojomarc

If anyone wants to look for themselves at BMS' products, the financial data for their major products can be found at http://www.bms.com/static/irdocs/productsales.xls. It's in Excel, but it was listed with their annual reports, so I'm sure an extract is available in .pdf. Unfortunately, my paper version doesn't translate well to message boards

patch70

That only looks at products that bring in over $100,000,000. Maybe they make HGH but it is not a high profit substance???

mutu

wow wow wow... ever heard of Pfizer, Glaxo, Lilly, Merck etc etc ?!

gntlmn

I deliberately looked at my computer when my mileage hit the 100 mile mark a few hours ago. It said 5 hrs 23 min 20 sec (all solo). I would like to try a 100 mile ITT to break that 5 hr century mark. That would feel good.

Mileage for the day was 101. Now I will sleep well.