Any words on Tyler's test results?

KMKS

The way to circumvent it is doping w/ your own blood. But that's just my point. Tyler pops 3 positives and nobody seems to care. Lance gets tested every hour with all negatives and everyone's accusing him of being a cheat.

RobotDeathSquad

I think that was his point.



KMKS: I think fame is exactly it. I was pretty suprised to see that no one was posting in here too. I was definately shocked by the positive test results.

run_and_ride

There are a couple of threads, but none seem to be generating much interest. It is amazing to see how many people are saying that there is no way it is true about Tyler Hamilton. Go to his website and look at the guestbook. Of course the webmaster won't let anti-Tyler posts show up.

I was a huge Tyler Hamilton fan, but I firmly believe he is guilty. Just like I believe that LA is guilty, although I am not a fan of his anymore either.

Brunswick_kate

The variation of the theme that I really like is Hamilton failed 1 test and showed inconsistencies in the one previous and this PROVES that Armstrong is doping...

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CycleSteve

I don't have any experience with medicine or pharmacology as a profession, but am a cyclist and read a lot about the sport, and of course about the efforts to control doping. I also have a son who has been through many years of medical treatments and tests. What I've learned is that most medical tests are not black and white.

Instead, they identify a value. The only way to identify the meaning of the value is to compare it against known "norms", or "normal" ranges for a given class (an age group, for example) of people. Interpreting these tests and making a final determination often requires that several doctors or a committee come to a final opinion. This can be difficult when a specific test value or set of interrelated values must be compared against a "normal" range. The problem is that a value that is at the upper end of the normal range, or even a little outside it, may be normal for that specific person.

The other issue is that the doping regulations do allow certain levels of otherwise banned substances. Some of these substances are, for example, not allowed in one form, but are allowed in other forms. There is one (I can't recall what it is), that is not allowed to be injected, but which can be used as a preservative for other, legal, performance improvement diet supplements. Eat too much of the legal supplement and you can acquire an illegal level of the preservative.

There are other issues: that the mainstream press only reports positives and negatives, and doesn't explain how that conclusion was reached, which might dilute the headline; that its very difficult to find out exactly how these tests are performed, the algorithyms they are based on, and the margins of error they contain so that professionals and lay people can get an informed opinion; the desire for doping labs to get contracts and keep contracts - and the only way to keep contracts and continue in business is to have positive test results - if all you get are negative results, then the quality of the testing is suspect because everyone assumes that at least a few people are doping.

It wouldn't surprise me if certain tests are found to be flawed and it becomes apparent that some athletes careers were ruined by false positives.

I also have a difficult time believing that Tyler would subject himself to the risks of a transfusion of blood not his own just for the sake of cycling. All I know of him is what I read in the press, but he seems like too sensible a guy for that. Yet, I could be wrong.

run_and_ride

That is just ridiculous. Every rider passes every drug test ever thrown at them until they get caught.

Tyler Hamilton passed every drug test ever thrown at them until he got caught. Do you believe this is the first time he ever did it?

Great logic! Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy?

run_and_ride

Whoever said that? Are you just making stuff up now? (rolleyes twice, counterclockwise while shaking head in a vigorous left to right motion in disbelief). I believe LA is a doper or has been a doper based on things I have read about the situation and his attitude towards people like Christophe Bassons and Fillipo Simeoni.

I never said I think LA is guilty because Tyler is guilty and I have never seen anyone else on here allude to that.

How about you just stick to responding to what is written said and stop trying to read minds?

run_and_ride

Nice post. I am open to the possibility that the testing is flawed. Nice to see someone else is open to the possibility that the possibility exists that he is also guilty. I am willing to wait for the final conclusions of the accuracy of this test to declare Hamilton guilty of this offense.

But Tyler, just like LA, has never that I have heard categorically denied that he has ever doped. He parses his words just like LA. The human conscience is an amazing thing.

lokstah

I don't have a terribly well-informed opinion about Lance's history as a drug user or drug avoider, but I do know that I'm not a fan of his on a personal level. I think he's a bit of a prick; that's just me, however, and it's no substitute for a positive drug test.

So why are folks so defensive about Tyler, even though he's apparently failed a big pair of tests in shameless fashion? That's easy -- it's disbelief. Tyler's a down-home, straight-arrow, likeable boy-next-door family man. We don't want it to be true, so we're willing to hang with him until he's, as he puts it, exhausted every last avenue for his defense. If he's guilty, it'll be the biggest disappointment in my time as a cycling fan -- something I'd rather avoid.

I hope the test is bunk. I hope. I hope.

Logic? It's not about logic. Whomever said celebrity was logical?

KMKS

The difference here is that it was a new type of blood test which was first used in the TdF this year. Therefore tyler (who retired early from the tour) got caught at the first opportunity in the Olympics. Lance and most others passed this form of blood test throughout the tour and subsequent events.

Brunswick_kate

Was I quoting you? Did I use your name anywhere in the post? You, sir, are entitled to your opinions. You can formulate them by whatever means you find to your satisfaction.

Just try to keep your blood pressure to a reasonable level when some people, like me, suggest that all the facts might not be in at this time and that a bunch of people sitting around a cycling chat board might not be in full possession of the facts.

And by the way, I've looked at the guest book on Hamilton's webpage and his webmaster has posted some pretty pointed and unsupportive comments, contrary to your assertion otherwise.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

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KMKS

By the way, anyone notice that since i mentioned LA this post has gotten double the amount of responses? I suppose it really is his celebrity. Sad really...

run_and_ride

You responded to a post I made and there was no other post on here saying anything about LA when you posted your comments.

Pot. Kettle. Black. LMAO. That is something people only say when they cannot refute a post.

My blood pressure is always a steady 110/70 (good diet and lots of exercise), even when responding to the braindead sheeple. Thanks for your concern.