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01-05.-2005, 09:53 AM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
I can understand the Americans who are regretful or chagrinned when they admit to carrying a concealed weapon in public, but I cannot comprehend those Americans who proudly declaim the virtues of carrying a handgun, and the "freedoms" to be had thereby.
Makes me a bit sick in the gut, to be frank. Also a little proud to call Canada my home. The most dangerous thing on the road are the MG's and Triumphs navigated by muddled ex-pat Brits. |
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01-05.-2005, 11:53 AM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
Only in America!
The land where the favorite pastimes are war, violence and the ability to carry firearms (lawfully or not). Here in Canada I don't have to worry about someone pulling a gun on me while I'm out for a ride. I have never been spit on, run off the road or chased by a crazed canuck high on speed. You americans spend so much time defending yourselves with weapons that you have become the offenders, often to the point where you have become paranoid. When you have to carry a gun to protect you and your family, the environment your living in is eerily similar to that of , say...Iraq. Oh, I almost forgot, the Iraq situation was created by the u.s.a. |
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01-05.-2005, 11:52 PM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
If you ever *do* carry a gun... you absolutely should carry mace or pepper spray. The intent is to protect yourself, and it is MUCH better to use as little force as possible to stop the threat. The small pepper spray devices aren't much larger than a laser pointer.
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01-05.-2005, 11:59 PM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
We Americans who are pro second amendment are also proud you call Canada home.
History has shown time and time again that people who either don't have the right to carry weapons or who loose the right to carry weapons are at higher risk of becoming victims of their governments OR of others in their society. You don't understand and you will never be able to understand because the will to fight has been bread out of you and a great many others in the world. You are physically incapable of understanding why Americans carry weapons... and I certainly don't hold it against you. Had I been born in Canada or France or (insert the name of dozens of other countries here) it is likely that I wouldn't know any better either. Joe West Quote:
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02-05.-2005, 12:05 AM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
We don't "have to carry a gun" as you state below... we CHOOSE to carry a gun. Right out in public... strapped to my waist if I'd like (although most time I carry concealed so as not to offend the sensitive Canadian winter visitors here in Arizona).
That is a choice that you Canadians (and others in the world) don't have because your governments took the choice away from you and your parents bread the will to defend yourself out of you. Choice = Freedom No Choice = (Well... you're a smart person... you figure it out). Joe Quote:
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02-05.-2005, 03:28 AM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
here in the UK carrying a gun while doing just about anything would land us in prison for upto 10 years (yes thats right, just for carrying one), however i can see the attraction. cyclists are extremely vulnerable at the hands of car drivers, and many a time i have longed to have some way of commanding respect from some idiot who just cut me up, shouted abuse, etc. Not sure if i would ever resort to shooting at them, but it would certainly be a solution!
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02-05.-2005, 03:33 AM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
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A way to instill fear into the minds of Road-raged Motorists   ........ I guess. Just as long as we get well represented in a court of law, is what matters..... and reading some of the links here, there are MANY cyclists UNDER represented ... which is sad. 
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02-05.-2005, 04:32 PM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
I haven't read every post in this thread but I have been following it for some time.
When the thread started I thought it was someone having a joke. It is so far from a realistic option in Australia to carry a gun when cycling to be not even nightmare material. There are plenty of ignorant drivers in this country (and plenty of courteous ones) but do you really think it is a realistic option to pull a gun on someone who has just knocked you down. They'd be gone before you had shaken yourself and (assuming you could) got to your feet. If someone wanted to shoot you while you were riding do you seriously think that they would wait for you to get your gun out before they did. It is difficult to understand the maniacal obsession with guns that exists in the US. I haven't seen one good reason to carry a gun while riding a bike - unless you ride with it in your hand, ready to shoot anyone who looks threatening - which could be everyone if you suffer the paranoia that most of the posters seem to exhibit. Confused. |
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02-05.-2005, 08:16 PM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
maybe the solution is to ride one handed, shotgun in the other, much like arnie in the Terminator movie.
one way to justify the extra weight of a gun would be to not take any pumps/spare tubes/tools out with you. this way, if you flat, just car-jack someone and sort it when you get home!
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03-05.-2005, 02:07 AM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
There are quite a few anti-gun folks out there in cycling land... and unfortunately, some of them post tongue-in-cheek examples of using a gun to defend yourself... most are not at all based in reality.
There are some good examples in this thread... examine my posts and you will have a good idea of why carrying a gun is a nice option for some people. Joe Quote:
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03-05.-2005, 03:03 AM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
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well here's your good reason. While riding in remote trails in Alaska, it is not uncommon to come around a corner and see a bear. Usually the bear runs away from you. but if you are unlucky enough to run into a bear with cubs or a bear who has associated people with food, you may find yourself in need of some defense in the form of fire power. surely some canadians can relate to this. (as far as road biking goes, i agree there is no reason to pack heat) |
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03-05.-2005, 08:29 AM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
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There aren't any rapists in your country? None at all? Or you must be a man. I don't need to carry a gun when I ride/run. But I want my mom to. The gun is the greatest creation in the history of mankind for the single reason is that in interpersonal conflict, it puts a woman on an equal field with a man. Men will target women and other men not because they are strong but because they are weak. They see the weakness and use it against them. A firearm eliminates that weakness. Even if the criminal also has a weapon, he is at best on even ground and inevitably, a well trained civilian will out shoot some ghetto thug gangster. |
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03-05.-2005, 11:14 AM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
Great point!
My wife carries as well; pity the man who attacks her. Joe Quote:
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03-05.-2005, 12:08 PM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
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I could not agree more. Personally, I live in Harlem (New York, NY) and I most certainly do NOT carry a gun or run into any trouble. If you live in suburbia or in the rural southwest I HIGHLY doubt that you are going to run into any trouble. If you think that a gun is the only way to be successful in confrontation you are greatly mistaken. Perhaps people should be forced to take a class on verbal defense before purchasing a weapon. Those of you who road bike, I would love to know of anyone who has had or know someone who has had a run-in with an animal which eaither a) they were unable to outrun or b) even showed the most vague interest in a cyclist passing by at 25 mph |
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03-05.-2005, 12:10 PM
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Re: How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?
i'll admit i read some but not nearly all the posts here (there are a lot). There seems to be a bit of confusion about the use of a concealed weapon... Being from the big TX, i too have my CHL and carry my weapon with me most everywhere i go... Clothing permitting (hey i still have to look nice
 )I think where a lot of the individuals that are speaking out (not attacking) are missing a key point in the law that allows us to carry our weapons. 1) Yes, they are for self defense, protecting ones self, family, and property are important. A criminal is afforded no additional rights than any other law abiding citizen. 2) Its for SELF DEFENSE. The use of lethal force (actually discharging your weapon) is a LAST RESORT MEASURE. Its very easy to be found guilty of a number of crimes from abusing your right to carry a weapon. This is the primary reason so many trainers and advanced tactics courses breed the mindset to have other non-lethal ways to protect yourself. You cannot honeslty belive that the law would let someone just shoot another person for running you off the road. You have to be kidding me if you honestly believed that. Those that are in anti-gun states / countries miss understand the ground work that CHL laws and permits are founded on. And for the love of all things sacred stop believing everything you see in movies and on TV. News and movies are so damn subjective its almost not even worth the time to watch them these days. Everything story is spun to tell a totally different story or to portray something that they are not. /Rant - Dont mean to rant on like this, its just upsetting to see so many people 'bash' something that they dont fully understand because of completely personal and biased reasons. |
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