What is most most dangerous?

Tumbleweed

Just seen a postie cycling along, regulation h*lm*t on, puffing away on a
fag. How many more times dangerous would the fag be than the helmet, or than
just cycling?

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Colin Blackburn

Tumbleweed wrote:
> Just seen a postie cycling along, regulation h*lm*t on, puffing away on a
> fag. How many more times dangerous would the fag be than the helmet, or than
> just cycling?

Depends. Was he riding hands-free while he rolled his own and then
fumbled for a box of matches? Very dangerous. Except on a recumbent
trike, of course, but then those riders are pipe smokers.

Colin

Chris Malcolm

"Tumbleweed" <thisaccountneverread@yahoo.com> writes:

>Just seen a postie cycling along, regulation h*lm*t on, puffing away on a
>fag. How many more times dangerous would the fag be than the helmet, or than
>just cycling?

I think one's accident risk is raised to above the alcohol threshold
levels for about ten minutes after consuming a fag. It's a phenomenon
known as "microsleeps", momentary lapses of attention during which
things can "appear from nowhere". But lots of motorists smoke so
don't expect any legislation.

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Zog The Undeniable

Provence1971 wrote:

> Sounds like a total idiot to me.
>
>
Cipollini used to smoke in the TdF - not just cigars, either.

JLB

Provence1971 wrote:

[cycling postie in h****t, smoking]
> Sounds like a total idiot to me.

I dunno. Not so long back someone was discussing how, in the good old
days, quite a few of the Tour de France competitors at the end of a
day's ride would be lighting up fags. I'd still bet most of them turned
in times few people here could match.

Doesn't Viz character Postman Prat like to puff on a tab? Then again,
possibly he's not a role model.

Or was your comment more concerned with the h****t?

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Chris Bardell

Provence1971 <Provence1971.1h7plz@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote in
news:Provence1971.1h7plz@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com:

>
> Sounds like a total idiot to me.
>
>

Why - was he wearing headphones too?

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Chris Bardell

Provence1971 <Provence1971.1h7plz@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote in
news:Provence1971.1h7plz@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com:

>
> Sounds like a total idiot to me.
>
>

Why - was he wearing headphones too?

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Tony Raven

MadDog62 wrote:
>
> Wearing a
> helmet is a necessity, If I had not, I would not be typing this now.
> Helmet used is in pieces and I have two cracked neckbones and lost my
> nerves in my left hand and lower arm.

I doubt it. Your speed meant you exceeded the design limits of the
helmet by an order of magnitude and it failed in a brittle fracture mode
which means it did not absorb the energy as it was supposed to but
failed with several fractures instead. OTOH helmets are believed to
exacerbate neck injuries.

Tony

[Not Responding]

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:31:00 +1100, MadDog62
<MadDog62.1h7zgy@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:

>Had an accident three months ago (sober, ship shape, no fags, no
>tobacco), hit a car at 48 km/h on a regular evening training, that´s
>all I remember.
>I still believe cycling to be a safe sport for most people. Wearing a
>helmet is a necessity, If I had not, I would not be typing this now.

You're new around here, aren't you

>Helmet used is in pieces and I have two cracked neckbones and lost my
>nerves in my left hand and lower arm. I will be back cycling as soon as
>I get my new frame.

I'll tell you my story. Hit by a car and woke up in hospital. The
goretex headwear was a shredded mess but my head was fine. By your
logic, it saved my life and goretex hats are a necessity.

I've been rather taken aback by the number of people who, on hearing
that my arm was smashed to bits, suggested that a helmet would have
helped.

>Don´t think postie´s have the same approach to safety though, but then
>again, who receives their mail in the early morning by someone who is
>doing his/hers mail tour at 50 km/h....? .

Posties, and 99% of British cyclists, don't need the same approach to
safety as racing cyclists or off roaders. In much the same way as when
driving a car to work, we don't follow the Formula 1 requirement to
don fireproof suits.

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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:31:00 +1100, MadDog62
<MadDog62.1h7zgy@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:

>Had an accident three months ago (sober, ship shape, no fags, no
>tobacco), hit a car at 48 km/h on a regular evening training, that´s
>all I remember.
>I still believe cycling to be a safe sport for most people. Wearing a
>helmet is a necessity, If I had not, I would not be typing this now.

You're new around here, aren't you

>Helmet used is in pieces and I have two cracked neckbones and lost my
>nerves in my left hand and lower arm. I will be back cycling as soon as
>I get my new frame.

I'll tell you my story. Hit by a car and woke up in hospital. The
goretex headwear was a shredded mess but my head was fine. By your
logic, it saved my life and goretex hats are a necessity.

I've been rather taken aback by the number of people who, on hearing
that my arm was smashed to bits, suggested that a helmet would have
helped.

>Don´t think postie´s have the same approach to safety though, but then
>again, who receives their mail in the early morning by someone who is
>doing his/hers mail tour at 50 km/h....? .

Posties, and 99% of British cyclists, don't need the same approach to
safety as racing cyclists or off roaders. In much the same way as when
driving a car to work, we don't follow the Formula 1 requirement to
don fireproof suits.

Tony Raven

MadDog62 wrote:
> I am currently trying out a Giro Atmos and I was
> actually struck by the lack of shock absorbers inside the helmet and
> the fact that it has a carbon fibre shell....?
>

Not as far as I know. It has bits of carbon fibre stuck on the cross
ribs and some carbon fibre inserts to strengthen the polystyrene but the
shell in the normal microshell plastic.

Tony

JLB

MadDog62 wrote:
> I am new around here yes. I consequently apologise if I step on
> someone´s toes or smash in wide open doors here.
>
> Don´t follow the bit about Goretex hats though... Goretex for me is
> soft, warm things that do not protect you for anything else than deep
> frozen ears...?
>
> I suppose the fact that your arm was "smashed to bits" cannot relate to
> the head/helmet issue that I am facing?

If you hang around you will soon find that helmets are a hot button
topic. You can easily search through previous threads with "helmet" in
the subject line to read any amount of arguments on the subject, several
of them very recent. It does take up an inordinate amount of bandwidth
here. You can also, if you want take a look at:
http://www.cyclehelmets.org/

or the helmet FAQ at
http://www.magma.ca/~ocbc/

and so on.
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Paul Busby

Thus spake Zog The Undeniable:
> Provence1971 wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a total idiot to me.
>>
>>
> Cipollini used to smoke in the TdF - not just cigars, either.

Yea but that was his annual holiday though

JLB

Zog The Undeniable wrote:
> Provence1971 wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a total idiot to me.
>>
>>
> Cipollini used to smoke in the TdF - not just cigars, either.

He's a silly sausage.

Or was that Chipolata?

Anyway, his website intro is a bit OTT.

http://www.mariocipollini.net/

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