OT: He's gone.

David Martin

Carol Hague wrote:
> Tony Raven <junk@raven-family.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Carol Hague wrote:
>>
>>><furtle> Right, that should be fixed now - for some reason the picture
>>>wasn't on the server, so I've re-uploaded it. Must've been in the
>>>browser cache for Firefox but not the other browsers.
>>>
>>
>>Curious, worked from the start for me in Firefox.
>
>
> Actually when I came to upload, the file listing said there was a file
> there, but the size was 0KB. I changed the filename and uploaded again
> and it seems to work now.

Works fine for me now..

...d

David Hansen

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:17:11 +0000 someone who may be Simon Brooke
<simon@jasmine.org.uk> wrote this:-

>What happened to the 'Ethical
>Foreign Policy' which, frankly, for me was the biggest thing?

'Foreign policy with an ethical dimension', ISTR.

>What happened about the arms trade?

Alive and well, see for example the arms fair in London. Remember
that the police were not allowed to check that the exhibitors were
not breaking the law, while they stopped and searched "terrorist"
protestors. This was undoubtedly at the behest of Tony.

>What happened about probity in public life?

Bernie Ecclestone. He paid over the odds, so the money was refunded.

>What happened about social justice?

It is claimed that it is being improved. Of course we know about how
the likes of Alastair Campbell have dossiers sexed up.

>On topic for this group, what
>happened about integrated transport policy?

Two Jags played with it for a while. Like almost everything else
that he plays with it went wrong.

>So, yes, it's good to hear that one of Tony's cronies has got his well
>earned comeuppance. But don't for a moment imagine that, in the words
>of the old song, 'things can only get better'.

It is a sign of the thickness of the skins of the Labour bunch that
they are still generally not embarrassed by that.

>In the words of another, 'you ain't seen nothing yet'.

How much lower could the Labour Party go?


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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:55:30 +0000 someone who may be
nick@hugin.webthing.com (Nick Kew) wrote this:-

>Not just that: being thoroughly illiberal and unpopular goes with
>the territory of Home Secretary.

Incorrect. The two are separate issues. The latter might well go
with the territory of Home Secretary, but the former does not
necessarily go.


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On 16 Dec 2004 17:06:23 GMT someone who may be "Arthur Clune"
<ajc22@york.ac.uk> wrote this:-

>So what if he had an affair? Every bugger and
>their wife does.

Not necessarily. Some people feel drawn towards having an affair,
sometimes very strongly, but step back from it. This can cause
people to give up their jobs and all sorts of other difficulties.

Whether such people are holier than those who do not step back is an
entirely separate issue.


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David Hansen

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:37:40 +0000 someone who may be
carol@wrhpv.com (Carol Hague) wrote this:-

>Thank you - but what I am is this: fat.

You look fine to me. Not everyone likes stick insects and there are
some of us that appreciate the female form (in all its varieties).
I'm sure Rubens would have wanted you as a model for one of his
paintings. One of the more memorable television comedy sketches was
of Jo Brand commiserating with ISTR Kate Moss that she was too stick
like for Rubens to paint her.

On the subject of weight I am reminded of a member of my family, a
long time ago. Because of his job he had to be inspected by a doctor
once every six months. After one inspection he was told by the
doctor that he was very overweight and should shed many kilos.
That's funny said the person, because six months ago you told me
that I was the ideal weight and I weight the same now as then. The
doctor then explained that they had been provided with new
height/weight charts.


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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:07:42 -0000 someone who may be "Epetruk"
<nobody@blackhole.com> wrote this:-

>you've made the assumption that
>the technology to forge cards *will* be widely and cheaply available,
>without attempting to substantiate this.

You might like to study the history of CDs.


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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:26:24 -0000 someone who may be "Epetruk"
<nobody@blackhole.com> wrote this:-

>For example, the issuer of the card could encrypt
>the biometric information on the card using two different private keys
>that are available only to the issuing organisation, and the card readers
>would use the public key of the issuer to decrypt the information before
>it could be verified against the biometrics of the card holder.

I suggest study of the works of Ross Anderson, in particular "Why
cryptosystems fail".


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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 03:32:29 -0000 someone who may be "Epetruk"
<nobody@blackhole.com> wrote this:-

>the advantage I see in ID cards is
>that they offer a stronger proof that you are who you say you are

You appear to be under the very big misapprehension that some piece
of paper (or plastic) from some government says that you exist. That
is extremely un-British.

This was all thrashed out many moons ago, in the era of Napoleon
Bonaparte. In some countries (inferior countries to any
right-thinking Briton) one only exists because government says one
exists. However, in Britain one exists because one does, not because
government says one exists. The difference is fundamental.

The fact that Mastermind Blunkett wants to introduce something very
un-British does not surprise me, "identity" cards are simply one
example of the sort of un-British things Mastermind is in favour of.


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Tony W

"David Hansen" <SENDdavidNOhSPAM@spidacom.co.uk> wrote in message
news:v6q8s0pr0ml525a91f3pr5tp751l0ht085@4ax.com...
>
> >Not just that: being thoroughly illiberal and unpopular goes with
> >the territory of Home Secretary.
>
> Incorrect. The two are separate issues. The latter might well go
> with the territory of Home Secretary, but the former does not
> necessarily go.

Indeed it might be considered that the principle job of the Home Secretary
is to maintain the liberty of the citizen.

T

Nick Kew

In article <1gozql0.1mmm9u11jmsmebN%carol@wrhpv.com>,
carol@wrhpv.com (Carol Hague) writes:
>> Carol Hague wrote:
>> >
>> > http://www.wrhpv.com/about_us/index.html

Erm, just out of mild curiosity, do your customers (and suppliers) regard
East Yorkshire as "westcountry"?

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Carol Hague

David Hansen <SENDdavidNOhSPAM@spidacom.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:37:40 +0000 someone who may be
> carol@wrhpv.com (Carol Hague) wrote this:-
>
> >Thank you - but what I am is this: fat.
>
> You look fine to me.

Thank you kindly.

>Not everyone likes stick insects and there are
> some of us that appreciate the female form (in all its varieties).
> I'm sure Rubens would have wanted you as a model for one of his
> paintings.

Fortunately, Rob agrees, which is the main thing as far as I'm concerned
:-)

I would, ideally, like to be a little slimmer in order to improve my
overall fitness, but I've given up obsessing about it - I just try to
get out on the trike as often as possible.

>One of the more memorable television comedy sketches was
> of Jo Brand commiserating with ISTR Kate Moss that she was too stick
> like for Rubens to paint her.

<giggle>

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Carol Hague

Nick Kew <nick@hugin.webthing.com> wrote:

> In article <1gozql0.1mmm9u11jmsmebN%carol@wrhpv.com>,
> carol@wrhpv.com (Carol Hague) writes:
> >> Carol Hague wrote:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.wrhpv.com/about_us/index.html
>
> Erm, just out of mild curiosity, do your customers (and suppliers) regard
> East Yorkshire as "westcountry"?

Well, it's gotta be west of *somewhere* :-)

But seriously, we thought changing the name when we moved would be more
hassle than it was worth. It was a question of whether people would be
asking why we'd changed the name or why we hadn't, really, and we
decided that the latter involved less actual work :-)

I guess the original choice of name goes down as "it seemed like a good
idea at the time"....

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Carol
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Jon Senior

Epetruk wrote:
> I think one of the fundamental points of disagreement is the view that a
> biometric ID card should be viewed as an additional and better means of
> ID'ing people against the view that there's no point in introducing an
> additional means that doesn't effectively replace existing means. I think
> this is one matter that we will have to disagree on, although perhaps in the
> future I will come across another argument that will change my viewpoint on
> this matter.

I'm sorry to drag this on (No really. I am!), but why do you think that
replacing one form of ID with another (equally valid, but no greater)
form of ID, at great expense, is a good thing?

That might have appeared to be a loaded question, but I'm trying hard to
be neutral here. ;-)

Jon

Steph Peters

Jon Senior <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk> of wrote:
>How to deal with ID theft:
>3) If you're really concerned, cut up your credit cards and make all
>payments in cash (It's harder to obtain information about cash purchases).

This one is becoming ever more difficult. I stayed at a Travel Inn recently
which had a notice on the wall requiring customers paying by cash to produce
some ID - a passport, a driving licence or a credit card! It's enforceable
as they take payment on arrival.

Anti money laundering rules forbid the acceptance of cash above a certain
amount, £10,000 I think. A side effect of this is to make quick purchase of
a good car very difficult. How long before the limit gets put down to
enforce no cash deals on smaller amounts so we can't even buy a bike for
cash?
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