It's cool apparently

Paul - xxx

David Martin composed the following;:
> On 20/1/05 10:45 am, in article 359gebF4idokeU1@individual.net, "Paul
> - xxx" <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> David Martin composed the following;:
>>> On 20/1/05 9:54 am, in article
>>> suvuu0df8u6amgkdjqdhd51e0bb5lnip9n@4ax.com, "Zardoz" <me@you.twang>
>>> wrote:
>>>> And that new iPod shuffle. They even had Radio 4 telling us on
>>>> Friday that it would be six months before someone came along with a
>>>> comparable but cheaper product. Come off it! Flash memory MP3
>>>> players have been around since the 90s. I bought one off ebuyer
>>>> for £20 last week...
>>>
>>> half gig MP3 player for 70 quid? There are comparable products but
>>> it is competetive in the market.
>>>
>>> You'll now quiote RRP for a competitor that is as well specced?
>>
>> Son now has a 1 gig MP3 (MPMan I think) from Currys for £99, which he
>> paid for himself.
>
> Same price as the 1Gb iPod shuffle.
>
> So no real 'overpricing' there. Blaming Radio 4 for Apple is a bit
> harsh..

I didn't ..

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David Martin

On 20/1/05 11:10 am, in article 359hsiF4jgn8kU1@individual.net, "Paul - xxx"
<notcheckedever@hotmail.com> wrote:

> David Martin composed the following;:
>> On 20/1/05 10:45 am, in article 359gebF4idokeU1@individual.net, "Paul
>> - xxx" <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> David Martin composed the following;:
>>>> On 20/1/05 9:54 am, in article
>>>> suvuu0df8u6amgkdjqdhd51e0bb5lnip9n@4ax.com, "Zardoz" <me@you.twang>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> And that new iPod shuffle. They even had Radio 4 telling us on
>>>>> Friday that it would be six months before someone came along with a
>>>>> comparable but cheaper product. Come off it! Flash memory MP3
>>>>> players have been around since the 90s. I bought one off ebuyer
>>>>> for £20 last week...
>>>>
>>>> half gig MP3 player for 70 quid? There are comparable products but
>>>> it is competetive in the market.
>>>>
>>>> You'll now quiote RRP for a competitor that is as well specced?
>>>
>>> Son now has a 1 gig MP3 (MPMan I think) from Currys for £99, which he
>>> paid for himself.
>>
>> Same price as the 1Gb iPod shuffle.
>>
>> So no real 'overpricing' there. Blaming Radio 4 for Apple is a bit
>> harsh..
>
> I didn't ..

Didn't say you did. The 'who did the blaming' was unattributed, as reading
back up the quoted thread would make it clear. I'll be more explicit in
future.

...d

bugbear

Paul - xxx wrote:

> In the last year he's broken or lost three mobile phones, one MP3 player
> and a Walkman. He now buys them himself ..

The cynic in me would suspect the broken-and-lost
rate has duly gone down :-)

BugBear

Paul Rudin

Tony Raven <junk@raven-family.com> writes:

> Paul Rudin wrote:
>> Tony Raven <junk@raven-family.com> writes:
>>
>>>Not Responding wrote:
>>>
>>>>Any pointers to a simple "how to" guide for windows? The DRM issues
>>>>have held me back from spending money on legal downloads but if
>>>>there's a way around that, I may become a customer.
>>>
>>>The "simple" way is to burn them to a CD and tnen rip the CD to
>>>mp3. The complex way is to use Hymn as a command line programme or
>>>slightly easier to use iOpener. Both available at
>>>http://hymn-project.org/download.php
>> jhymn is a nice gui pointy-clicky front end for hymn.
>>
>
> And iOpener is an even nicer one IMO.

iOpener has rather fewer options that jhymn (and won't do the trick at
all with itunes 4.7.1).

Paul Rudin

"Dave Larrington" <smert.spamionam@privacy.net> writes:

> Paul Rudin wrote:
>> Tony Raven <junk@raven-family.com> writes:
>>
>>> Paul - xxx wrote:
>>>> This is something we're considering, but at 12 years old, we'd
>>>> rather not have him going around with a £200 iPod around his neck
>>>> .. his £50 MP3 player is good enough for now, and he has a CD
>>>> Walkman ..
>>>>
>>>
>>> ..and getting iTunes music onto anything other than an iPod is
>>> something Apple make very very difficult (not impossible though ;-)
>>
>> Not really difficult - you can burn to CD from itunes and then rip the
>> CD back to MP3. Or you can use something like hymn
>> <http://hymn-project.org/> to remove the drm stuff (which probably
>> technically breaks the itunes terms of use...)
>
> The latest version of iTunes (4.7.1) breaks Hymn thobut.

You can still acheive the same end with 4.7.1 - see the hymn forums.

Dave Larrington

Paul Rudin wrote:
> "Dave Larrington" <smert.spamionam@privacy.net> writes:
>
>> Paul Rudin wrote:
>>> Tony Raven <junk@raven-family.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Paul - xxx wrote:
>>>>> This is something we're considering, but at 12 years old, we'd
>>>>> rather not have him going around with a £200 iPod around his neck
>>>>> .. his £50 MP3 player is good enough for now, and he has a CD
>>>>> Walkman ..
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ..and getting iTunes music onto anything other than an iPod is
>>>> something Apple make very very difficult (not impossible though ;-)
>>>
>>> Not really difficult - you can burn to CD from itunes and then rip
>>> the CD back to MP3. Or you can use something like hymn
>>> <http://hymn-project.org/> to remove the drm stuff (which probably
>>> technically breaks the itunes terms of use...)
>>
>> The latest version of iTunes (4.7.1) breaks Hymn thobut.
>
> You can still acheive the same end with 4.7.1 - see the hymn forums.

I should have added: Not that I care coz I am still old-fashioned enough to
buy my music in the form of CD's...

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Simon Brooke

in message <suvuu0df8u6amgkdjqdhd51e0bb5lnip9n@4ax.com>, Zardoz
('me@you.twang') wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:43:44 +0000, David Hansen
> <SENDdavidNOhSPAM@spidacom.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:02:24 +0000 someone who may be David Martin
>><martin-family@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote this:-
>>
>>>>> Apple stuff only works on machines with Apple operating systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft stuff only works on machines with Microsoft operating
>>>>> systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where's the difference?
>>>>
>>>> The first one is demonstrably wrong, as my QuickTime for Windows
>>>> plugin demonstrates.
>>>
>>>The second is demonstrably wrong as my Windows Media Player for Mac
>>>demonstrates.
>>
>>Or indeed Microshit Office works on Macs, either the Mac version of
>>office or the PC version if a PC emulator is running on the Mac.
>>
>>Microshit have written software for the Mac since the first models.
>>Could someone remind me how much of Apple Microshit own at the
>>moment?
>
> <rant>
> Oh don't get me started on Apple Evangelists. If I had as much money
> as one of them I'd be happy with an overpriced computer.

£288.51 overpriced?
<URL:http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/90501/wo/rs5FXQpqefkI2sGJHG62DFsYioW/0.0.11.1.0.6.21.1.2.1.0.0.0.1.0>

ObDisclaimer: I've never owned a Mac in my life, and the only think I
hated writing software for worse than the old MacOS was NeXTStep, which
is the precursor to the new MacOS. But the hardware has always been
really high quality, even if you were just going to dump the horrible
proprietary software and put a proper UN*X on it. The only things nicer
were the old SGI boxes (though some of the later RS/6000s were pretty
nice too).

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Zardoz

>
>Not really difficult - you can burn to CD from itunes and then rip the
>CD back to MP3.

You'd do all that just to transfer an MP3?

That's what MP3ers refer to as an X-RIP btw (as I've found out). It's
like re JPEG-ing JPEGs. Because off lossy compression, each time you
encode it the quality degrades more.

Paul - xxx

David Martin composed the following;:
> On 20/1/05 11:10 am, in article 359hsiF4jgn8kU1@individual.net, "Paul
> - xxx" <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> David Martin composed the following;:
>>> On 20/1/05 10:45 am, in article 359gebF4idokeU1@individual.net,
>>> "Paul - xxx" <notcheckedever@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> David Martin composed the following;:
>>>>> On 20/1/05 9:54 am, in article
>>>>> suvuu0df8u6amgkdjqdhd51e0bb5lnip9n@4ax.com, "Zardoz"
>>>>> <me@you.twang> wrote:
>>>>>> And that new iPod shuffle. They even had Radio 4 telling us on
>>>>>> Friday that it would be six months before someone came along
>>>>>> with a comparable but cheaper product. Come off it! Flash memory
>>>>>> MP3 players have been around since the 90s. I bought one off
>>>>>> ebuyer for £20 last week...
>>>>>
>>>>> half gig MP3 player for 70 quid? There are comparable products but
>>>>> it is competetive in the market.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'll now quiote RRP for a competitor that is as well specced?
>>>>
>>>> Son now has a 1 gig MP3 (MPMan I think) from Currys for £99, which
>>>> he paid for himself.
>>>
>>> Same price as the 1Gb iPod shuffle.
>>>
>>> So no real 'overpricing' there. Blaming Radio 4 for Apple is a bit
>>> harsh..
>>
>> I didn't ..
>
> Didn't say you did. The 'who did the blaming' was unattributed, as
> reading back up the quoted thread would make it clear. I'll be more
> explicit in future.

I know

And it might have been Comet my son got his MP3 player from ..

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Paul - xxx

Dave Larrington composed the following;:
> Paul - xxx wrote:

> I was tempted to get one just to use in my motorcar, but then
> discovered that the same outfit[1] who make the iPod motorcar adaptor
> wot grate frend gNick uses also make a head unit which accepts a
> neatly packaged 2.5" hard disk full of mp3's... This is an
> altogether nicer prospect than being limited to 12 CD's before having
> to reload.

ooohhhh now that sounds mighty tempting .. we've been looking at
'normal' MP3 heads to replace the CD player in the Landrover, but a
whole hard drive would be pretty neat .. 'specially as we also have a
couple of laptops that are redundant, but which have spare drives
available for scavenging ..

> 1 - Dension

Cheers, will look them up.

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Paul - xxx

Dave Larrington composed the following;:

> 1 - Dension

Had a quick look ... Heheheh ... nice.

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Dave Larrington

Paul - xxx wrote:
> Dave Larrington composed the following;:
>
>> 1 - Dension
>
> Had a quick look ... Heheheh ... nice.

DABS are apparently offering one with an 80 Gig disk for 360 quid. But none
in stock ATM. Bah!

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World Domination?
Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)

Paul Rudin

Zardoz <me@you.twang> writes:

>>
>>Not really difficult - you can burn to CD from itunes and then rip the
>>CD back to MP3.
>
> You'd do all that just to transfer an MP3?

Well - if you had no other option. (And the CD doesn't need to be an
actual CD - just some hard disc masquarading as a CD.)

>
> That's what MP3ers refer to as an X-RIP btw (as I've found out). It's
> like re JPEG-ing JPEGs. Because off lossy compression, each time you
> encode it the quality degrades more.

Sure - but why would you want to do it more than once?

Tony Raven

Zardoz wrote:
>>Not really difficult - you can burn to CD from itunes and then rip the
>>CD back to MP3.
>
>
> You'd do all that just to transfer an MP3?
>
> That's what MP3ers refer to as an X-RIP btw (as I've found out). It's
> like re JPEG-ing JPEGs. Because off lossy compression, each time you
> encode it the quality degrades more.

Yep, because the file downloaded from iTunes has DRM protection which
prevents it being converted to mp3 format. When cut to a CD using the
iTunes software that protection falls away so it effectively the
simplest way of removing the DRM so you can recode to mp3. The other is
to strip the DRM using hymn but that is more complex for someone not
comfortable with command lines etc.

Tony