Cycling and bicycle racing discussion forums.   View New Forum Topics
Today's Forum Topics

Set as homepage


Go Back   Cycling Forums > Bike Racing > Grand Tours - Giro - Tour de France - Vuelta a España
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Welcome to CyclingForums.com

You are currently viewing our website as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions. You will have to register before you can post to this thread.

By joining our free online community you will have access to post new topics, communicate privately with other cyclingforums.com members (PM), respond to polls, upload photos and access other special features like product reviews and classifieds.


What happened to Tyler Hamilton

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 23-01.-2005, 10:46 AM   #1
Cyclist14
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
Posts: 556
Default What happened to Tyler Hamilton

What happened, is Tyler still banned for two years?


I hope not, all of us can be inspired by his 54 mile breakaway with a broken collarbone.
__________________
Ciocc 7005 with Colnago Carbon Fork and Ultegra 10
Cyclist14 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 23-01.-2005, 11:01 AM   #2
meb
Registered User
 
meb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: arlington, VA
Posts: 1,212
Default Re: What happened to Tyler Hamilton

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclist14
What happened, is Tyler still banned for two years?


I hope not, all of us can be inspired by his 54 mile breakaway with a broken collarbone.


There is a hearing on 1/25. He hasn't been banned for two years yet, but that is a sanction he likely would face if he loses.

At his age, a 2 year ban would be carreer ending.
He is pretty much under a defacto ban now anyway even if he wins. No team would pick him up else they'd be subjet to the wrath of UCI.
meb is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 23-01.-2005, 11:07 PM   #3
ilpirata
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 345
Default Re: What happened to Tyler Hamilton

Yes I agree it was hard not to like admire Tyler after the courage he has shown, and not just on that tour you mentioned. He has had some bad luck. I must say however that he has made more than a few errors with his bike control.

If he is really guilty of blood doping, that will certainly tarnish my view of him, even if many others are doing similar things.
I am getting a very bad impression of this modern cycling. I can't help but wonder if what is separating placements at races is better team technology in avoiding anti-doping tests. Certainly I appreciate the science of nutrition in performance and recovery. But the use of artificial enhancers has put a terrible stain on cycling and other sports.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclist14
What happened, is Tyler still banned for two years?


I hope not, all of us can be inspired by his 54 mile breakaway with a broken collarbone.
ilpirata is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 26-01.-2005, 05:48 AM   #4
Perro Loco
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 121
Default Re: What happened to Tyler Hamilton

It's now january 25th- any documentation as when and where his hearing was? Nothing has been heard about Tyler? A quick google and yahoo news search turns up nothing. His team or former team is doing all it can to distance itself from any hint of doping- sacking directors so it can potentialy get into the Tour de France. Teams and riders are gearing up for the season. Doesn't look promising for Tyler.
Perro Loco is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 26-01.-2005, 05:58 AM   #5
Tmax1
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Alabama
Posts: 100
Default Re: What happened to Tyler Hamilton

I have not heard about Tyler's 1/25 date but I did see him on the Weather Channel on TV giving a ski report. He started his cycling career as a result of a ski accident and rehab. Maybe he will not be reduced to a tv talking head.

Jerry
Tmax1 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 26-01.-2005, 08:36 AM   #6
Perro Loco
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 121
Default Re: What happened to Tyler Hamilton

from
http://www.believetyler.org/chronology.html

January 2005

Appeals hearing with the American Arbitration Association and USADA.
Perro Loco is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 28-01.-2005, 01:23 AM   #7
Powerful Pete
Registered User
 
Powerful Pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Rome, Italy
Posts: 3,870
Default Re: What happened to Tyler Hamilton

Does anyone have any news what has happened?
__________________
De Rosa Planet
Campagnolo Per Sempre!
PAOLO BETTINI CAMPIONE DEL MONDO x 2!
Powerful Pete is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 28-01.-2005, 01:52 AM   #8
Perro Loco
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 121
Default Re: What happened to Tyler Hamilton

Quote:
Originally Posted by Powerful Pete
Does anyone have any news what has happened?
Haven't heard a word. It looks like his team is moving foward and trying to seperate themselves from him and any connection last year (three doping cases with Phonak riders).
Santi Perez appears to be headed for a two year ban http://www.as.com/articulo.html?xre...5&anchor=dasmas

Although the exact details of the test have not been released ( a feasability study was published in hematologica)- comments I have seen from WADA seem to suggest that they feel confident in the test and know that any test has to face scrutiny and potential legal challenges. UCI has also said they warned Phonak about flucuations in Tylers Blood values during the dauphine and tour of romandie.
I find it interesting that no info has come out period.
I suspect all this does not bode well for Tyler.
Perro Loco is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 28-01.-2005, 05:31 AM   #9
Powerful Pete
Registered User
 
Powerful Pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Rome, Italy
Posts: 3,870
Default Re: What happened to Tyler Hamilton

Quote:
Originally Posted by Perro Loco
UCI has also said they warned Phonak about flucuations in Tylers Blood values during the dauphine and tour of romandie.
I find it interesting that no info has come out period.
I suspect all this does not bode well for Tyler.


Thanks for the update. I had not heard about that little ' fluctuation ' thing you mention.
Hhhhm. My money is on his career ending rather sooner than expected.
__________________
De Rosa Planet
Campagnolo Per Sempre!
PAOLO BETTINI CAMPIONE DEL MONDO x 2!
Powerful Pete is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 28-01.-2005, 08:33 AM   #10
Perro Loco
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 121
Default Re: What happened to Tyler Hamilton

Quote:
Originally Posted by Powerful Pete
Thanks for the update. I had not heard about that little ' fluctuation ' thing you mention.
Hhhhm. My money is on his career ending rather sooner than expected.

Since I don't want to be known as spreading rumours

as reported in cycling4all
Quote:
24.09
According to L'Equipe Tyler Hamilton (Usa) = Phonak was already warned ("yellow card") by the Medical Committee of the UCI after his final victory in the Tour de Romadie. They told him already about "strange fluctuations" in his blood-values.
Here is something from the UCI
http://www.dailypeloton.com/uci_pho...ourdecision.htm
about halfway down they talk about warning Phonak.
This is also mention of this in several other articles including an interview with dick pound in velonews.
I have never seen any details about this other than the UCI verified it warned Phonak and have never heard a response from Hamilton or Phonak.
Prior to this I was willing to give tyler the benefit of the doubt, new test ....
but unfortunately I think he may have been caught or else he must have one hell of an explanation.
Perro Loco is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 28-01.-2005, 08:59 AM   #11
hombredesubaru
Registered User
 
hombredesubaru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 997
Default Re: What happened to Tyler Hamilton

Quote:
Originally Posted by Perro Loco
Since I don't want to be known as spreading rumours

as reported in cycling4all
Here is something from the UCI
http://www.dailypeloton.com/uci_pho...ourdecision.htm
about halfway down they talk about warning Phonak.
This is also mention of this in several other articles including an interview with dick pound in velonews.
I have never seen any details about this other than the UCI verified it warned Phonak and have never heard a response from Hamilton or Phonak.
Prior to this I was willing to give tyler the benefit of the doubt, new test ....
but unfortunately I think he may have been caught or else he must have one hell of an explanation.


The only thing I can think of is that Tyler must be really stupid or really honest. Go figure, he and his team were already warned about fluctuations in his blood tests. So at that point if you are doing something wrong, you are close to getting caught and you stop, unless you are really dumb.

I wonder what parameters they were referring to that fluctuated? No details anywhere. Only a few days left in January when his appeal happens with the big boys.
hombredesubaru is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 28-01.-2005, 09:00 AM   #12
birdman23
Registered User
 
birdman23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 571
Default Re: What happened to Tyler Hamilton

I just read the dossier and all I can say is wow. No wonder they were testing the Phonak riders during the Olympics and Vuelta. They already had shown irregularities that surely put Phonak riders under suspicion. Thanks for the link Perro Loco



Quote:
Originally Posted by Perro Loco
Since I don't want to be known as spreading rumours

as reported in cycling4all
Here is something from the UCI
http://www.dailypeloton.com/uci_pho...ourdecision.htm
about halfway down they talk about warning Phonak.
This is also mention of this in several other articles including an interview with dick pound in velonews.
I have never seen any details about this other than the UCI verified it warned Phonak and have never heard a response from Hamilton or Phonak.
Prior to this I was willing to give tyler the benefit of the doubt, new test ....
but unfortunately I think he may have been caught or else he must have one hell of an explanation.
__________________
May the road you ride be a good road!
birdman23 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 28-01.-2005, 09:04 AM   #13
birdman23
Registered User
 
birdman23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 571
Default Re: What happened to Tyler Hamilton

My guess would be fluctuations in HCT levels.

Quote:
Originally Posted by hombredesubaru
The only thing I can think of is that Tyler must be really stupid or really honest. Go figure, he and his team were already warned about fluctuations in his blood tests. So at that point if you are doing something wrong, you are close to getting caught and you stop, unless you are really dumb.

I wonder what parameters they were referring to that fluctuated? No details anywhere. Only a few days left in January when his appeal happens with the big boys.
__________________
May the road you ride be a good road!
birdman23 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 28-01.-2005, 09:13 AM   #14
Perro Loco
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 121
Default Re: What happened to Tyler Hamilton

You are welcome for the link. most likely flucuations in hematocrit, also variations in size of red cells and reticulocytes (young red cells) though these would be more suggestive of Epo or altitude.
This has been an overlooked part of the whole story.
I oftened wondered if the UCI kept an eye on people who showed fluctuations in their blood counts and targeted those people for more frequent tests or more out of competition tests.
I remember reading the TdF testers became suspicious of Rumsas when his hematocrit rose during the 2002 TdF from 46% start to 48% near the end.
(hematocrits without use of exogenous Erythropoietin decline during stage races due to plasma volume expansion). I always wondered if they tipped off the border patrol to search his wife car. Probably not, but the Hamilton Case and and an article I read recently in confirms the UCI is using longitudinal data to target individuals.
http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/s1054499.htm

Last edited by Perro Loco : 28-01.-2005 at 09:24 AM.
Perro Loco is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 28-01.-2005, 10:09 PM   #15
meb
Registered User
 
meb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: arlington, VA
Posts: 1,212
Default Re: What happened to Tyler Hamilton

Quote:
Originally Posted by Perro Loco
You are welcome for the link. most likely flucuations in hematocrit, also variations in size of red cells and reticulocytes (young red cells) though these would be more suggestive of Epo or altitude.
This has been an overlooked part of the whole story.
I oftened wondered if the UCI kept an eye on people who showed fluctuations in their blood counts and targeted those people for more frequent tests or more out of competition tests.
I remember reading the TdF testers became suspicious of Rumsas when his hematocrit rose during the 2002 TdF from 46% start to 48% near the end.
(hematocrits without use of exogenous Erythropoietin decline during stage races due to plasma volume expansion). I always wondered if they tipped off the border patrol to search his wife car. Probably not, but the Hamilton Case and and an article I read recently in confirms the UCI is using longitudinal data to target individuals.
http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/s1054499.htm


All the Olympic TT medalists were tested. Hamilton was probably targetted at Vuelta per the A positive from Athens. Perez didn't fail a test at Vuelta, even with his performance, yet Perez failed an out of competition test only two weeks later, so it is likely he was targetted for an initial test after Hamilton's Vuelta test (and perhaps other Phonak riders were also targetted).
meb is offline  
Reply With Quote

Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT +10. The time now is 09:22 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin Copyright © 2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2001 - 2006 cyclingforums.com

Links to websites we like:
Pezcyclingnews | Cyclingnews.com | Wine Zone | iinet