Tyler Innocent?

Originally Posted by House

Show me the post in this thread where I "stated that I maintain TH is innocent" You can't because I never said it. You are acting like the trained puppy now, making up stuff to suit what you want it to...and just like your hero you just got made to look like a fool. You took a conversation between Meehs and I about the extortionist and tried to turn it into something it wasn't. Care to get smacked around again?

Originally Posted by VeloFlash

You are now talking about "autologous" transfusions as opposed to "homologous" transfusions.

The problem with "autologous" transfusions (using your own blood) is that it makes a serious dent in your training program. It takes about 6 weeks for your system to restore the blood that has been removed and that time frame seriously degrades training. A pro cyclist cannot afford that break. And, apparently, your stored blood deteriorates over time so it is not as if you could gather supplies during your off season.

So, I don't agree that there was could have been a remote possibility of a mix up changing an autologous transfusion into a homologous transfusion. Furthermore, the blood infused must be of the same type or you are looking at serious medical problems with the recipients.

It appears that when Phonak adopted blood packing there was no known test whereas EPO was detectable depending upon the product and the form of administration. WADA were aware there were methods of avoiding EPO detection and were working on solutions. Phonak would have been in a state of shock in June when they were informed that tests would be introduced for homologous blood packing. TH had been previously informed that as his high blood values in April 2004 had put him on the "hit list" for future random testing. Hence, I believe his retirement from the TdF with "back problems" at or about the time of introduction of this test is no coincidence.

Originally Posted by VeloFlash

You never made that statement but strongly implied. I refer to post #12 on this thread where you referred readers to to TH's latest diary of 18 April 2005:

"To all: Go check out Tylers website, his latest entry is very interesting...that is if you are the type of person who looks at all sides before condeming (sic) someone."

This is where the absurd claim is re-visited about a mystery extortionist (first disclosed by TH on 12.12.04) who had foreknowledge in August & October 2004 about Phonak's doping violations. Not one skerrick of detail about the extortionist other than he was a former rider who has a daughter who was a podium girl. The arrest must have been made in a locality that suppresses these events and identities.

TH makes an interesting diary note on March 11, 2005 that the hearing was over on March 2, 2005 and TH sadly farewelled his legal team.

http://www.tylerhamilton.com/janmar2005228.html

It was reported in CyclingNews: "The scheduling of the case was expedited by USADA at Hamilton's request. According to USADA, the AAA/CAS Panel "provided Hamilton over a month extension following the hearing to submit any additional evidence in his defense."

This extension would have expired on or about 2 April 2005 and then the panel was given 10 days to prepare their findings. So TH never availed himself of the one month's extension to submit additional evidence but now he claims he is submitting additional evidence for his appeal.

(Newspaper article on his April 20, 2005 diary) "He plans to file the CAS appeal soon but is waiting to compile more evidence. Once an appeal is filed, new information can only be submitted to CAS in the next 10 days."

Originally Posted by House

So in other words I took a link and told people there was interesting stuff in it if you like to get both sides of a story and you, later after a conversation about the extortionist, suddenly decided that I was "implying" that TH is innocent. Backtracking rather fast aren't you? You were wrong, juts admit it. You said something and it was totally false, now you are trying to sell truth as being what you suddenly believe something implied. You really are an ass kissing puppy wannabe. What a joke. LOL

Originally Posted by limerickman

There's no two sides to the TH story - despite your best attempts to assert TH's innocence with crap about extortion and other such waffle.

TH's side of the story was proven to be false.

And that's that.

Originally Posted by House

Now we had to the denial stage. You were made to look like an idiot, you lied, you backtraked, you got caught, give it up, you are only making yourself look worse.

Originally Posted by limerickman

The only backtracker here is you - you've advocated that TH was innocent.
When the decision was handed down - WHEN TH'S DEFENCE WAS REJECTED -
and he got banned, you still try to maintain his innocence by quoting waffle
about extortion and putting "the other side of the story".

There is no other side of the story.

TH was charged, convicted and sentanced.

Originally Posted by mjolnir2k

Caveat:
Appeal is pending..let's all hold our horses until it is final.

Originally Posted by limerickman

The only backtracker here is you - you've advocated that TH was innocent.
When the decision was handed down - WHEN TH'S DEFENCE WAS REJECTED -
and he got banned, you still try to maintain his innocence by quoting waffle
about extortion and putting "the other side of the story".

There is no other side of the story.

TH was charged, convicted and sentanced.

Originally Posted by James Felstead

but not our breath?

Originally Posted by House

Keep trying but when I called you out all you came up with was a post that you decided implied something. Give up and admit you were wrong. You are merely making yourself look like an idiot.

Originally Posted by James Felstead

sorry, this is all very confusing......who's looking like an idiot here? I'm struggling to follow your train of thought.