Pedal Magazine Forum, what's up?

Eddie Arzouian

I have to ask, what is happening with the Pedal Magazine Web Forum?
This is the message I get there:


We apologize for the continued delay in getting our Forum back on line.
Our webmaster is working on the problem with our server and we hope to have
things back to normal very shortly - your patience is appreciated.

Uboat

They said before that there was some security problems--someone was hacking into the site. Any clue who???

I'm sure it will be back soon. I like both the forums, use them often. You just have to sift through the garbage, there's some great dialogue. I think the fact that guys like Van De Wille, Kinash, and Wohlberg, have posted makes the forums pretty exciting.

BillyBlass

I have not been on the forums lately but I did catch something on the CC forum regarding Pedalmag. Someone was "phishing", whatever that is. I got a warning about phishing on my CIBC account to. I thought I somehow got banned from PM.

To be quite frank, I do not like the CC & PM forums. They are set up to allow posters to be abused. At least here someone can do something about it.

Obviously Ed and Patrick do not get along, but at least they know who is throwing the punches.

Guest=Coward

Eddie Arzouian

Very true.

But do not forget Van de Wille was among those that asked I be banned from Pedal Forum. Why? Because I had the audacity to save the stupid comments HE wrote and remind people about them.

Not sure that makes him a coward but it makes it easier for him to post his uninformed pronouncements unopposed.

Van de Wille loves dialogue as long as he is the one doing the talking!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patty the Lapsed Canuck I agree with ditching him (Ed Arzouian) : the "archive" of comments (that Van de Wille himself made) that he finds silly, which he presumably keeps to try to screw me off at every occasion (I can't think of any constructive reason to keep one) is the last straw for me. Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 4:39 am

Among some of the better ones were:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patty the Lapsed Canuck Whoa boy, I think it's silly to say I have better knowledge of cycling than Ed. My own list of racing accomplishments is very, very scarce (though I did win one of the two races I entered, riding Chris Firek's too-tall bike and dressed up in the Ultramar Bear suit for the celebrity race). My only claim is spectator- and journalist-side. Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:07 am

He admits himself to never having done anything in the sport other than be a spectator or journalist (as was I for longer than him) yet he has no problem "discussing" coaching, development, sposnorship research and management, race organization and host of other things he has never done.


On his opportunism:

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:03 am Post subject: "For what it's worth I got into writing about cycling because I was a young guy trying to become a journalist and there's no point trying to break into hockey or baseball. And it worked.

The rest of the stuff I won't bother with. Cycling wannabe? Oh yeah, the sport attracts a massive load of groupies like me. I starting writing about it to make a buck and took a liking to it. " Patrick Van de Wille


I find it very amusing that a supposed writer would get so angry at having his owns words thrown back at him.

Does this makes sense to you?:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patty the Lapsed Canuck By the way, I think it's really incorrect for the originator of this thread to have started it. It put Lesley in a bind as far as what to do. Why do we have a right to her sharing her business/thoughts with us? I think threads started with any name (including mine) are silly, regardless of content, and I think this one is too.Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:31 pm

According to Patrick one should never start a forum thread that is about somebody. So don't mention Lance Armstrong, Lori Ann Meunzer or Genevieve Jeanson, or Lesley Tomlinson who is a 24-hour World Endurance Cycling Champ, who runs the Rocky Mountain Cycling Team, is a Board Member of the CCA and should be its next President on a cycling forum thread "regardless of content"!!


That is just a plain stupid thing to write. If I were Van de Wille I would be embarrassed (among other things) at having written it too. Would I asked that the person who read it and saved it be banned?


No, of course not.


But then I am fair and opened-minded, something sadly lacking in most of my critics and opponents in their dialogues of one.


So, Van de Wille signs his name to his posted, as I have always done to mine. He is not a physical coward just a moral and intellectual one. He can not tolerate having his pronouncements challenged because so many won't stand up to informed scrutiny. It is easier to ban the scrutineer.

BillyBlass

I got you fired up! I was referring to all those Guests that abuse the posters. Insulting people behind the generic "Guest" name is one of the lowest form of cowardliness. It is one thing to not bother logging on and writing some general info, but it is quite another to attack a person in this mode. CC and PM are the only forums I ever came across where and individual does not need to register.

Eddie Arzouian

Fired up?


Naw.

I'm just not one to miss an opportunity. You opened a door. I walked through.

I agree with what you are saying. It is far better for user to have to log on. Of course, that doesn't really provide much in terms of who they are does it?

It is not much more difficult to ban an IP address (which is what CC and Pedal have done to all mine, including the entire Valleyfield, QC and St. anicet, QC public library systems) than it is to block or censor a username.

We do not know who the users are. It isn't like a username name such as PeeinginNepean, who admits to coming on these forums just to personally harass me, is anybody we could name.

----- Original Message ----- From: peeinin nepean
To: edatarzouian.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Loser!



You're completely right, I am harassing you anonymously for spite.

BillyBlass

LOL, good one. You are right. I forgot about peeinginthepeein. Feel free to walk through the door. Especially if I write something about the CCA or the state of road racing in Canada.

I never tried it yet, but I guess you can report abusive posts here. I do not know what will happen.

On Pedalmag, I see you and others have taken a lot of abuse from beligerant "guest" A-holes. The expletives are still posted (pre-shut down). Now those should be removed. I hope that is part of Pedalmags fix-it.

Eddie Arzouian

Ahh, I don't care about what people say or name-calling or funny photos, etc.

I do care about blatant lies being passed as truths. I would not even call for banning people doing that, retracting or censoring the lies would be enough. Banning would be a last resort in people continue to post lies.

I would never ban anybody for an opinion.

But then I'm a reasonable, self-assured, unintimidated kind of guy. Maybe if I could not keep up in a debate and had no alternative I would look for banning too. Since I never have that problem I'll gues I'll never want anybody banned for an opinion.

BillyBlass

This is a late one for me. I am in the middle of fortifying my Port with 151.

One reason I enjoy communicating with you, Mr. Arzouian, is that you wear your life on a sleeve and I do not expect BS from you. On the other hand, I do not know if I am capable of asking, or inquiring, to good depths, questions that are capable of challenging your cycling intellect. I ask for your patience in this regard.

The banning of an opinion in Canada is wrong. In regards to pedalmag or CC, I would appreciate the direct abusive expletives to removed. They are not opinions. They are disgraceful and they bring out the worst in people.

We may oppose each others opinions someday, but we will respect them, respond to them, or leave the thread. You are welcome to reference this post if I get out of line. I do not like hypocrites, and I definitely would like to be reminded if I am trending that way.

Eddie Arzouian

You are correct the abusive expletives should be removed from Pedal Magazine Forum, that would be the right thing to do.


Do not expect Pedal Magazine Editor Benjamin Sadavoy to do the right things very often. To quote Bob Dylan, Benjy, "will do what is most expedient and repent". He may not even know what the right thing to do is, so we cannot expect him to do it.

It would be difficult to remove the expletives from the Canadian Cyclist Forum since there would be little else left.

Were I to handle Marketing at the CCA I would launch a forum for the CCA of its own where it could float idea and get feedback from the public (preferably BEFORE putting in place rules and policies that peopel do not want in the first place). Instead of allowing all these rumours and speculation to run rampant a foum (where peoel signed there name) would be a good way to explain things.

Of course to explain things you have to have somebody who understands what they are doing in the first place.

Eddie Arzouian

June 7, still no Pedal Forum....


Must be a real big "server problem". I'd suggest buying a new one if you cannot fix it in 10 days or more. Poke it with a stick..I think it is dead.

I was also amused by the correction today on Pedal Forum. Patrick Van de Wille made the mistake, he wrote the first piece (was he in Philly??? Maybe if he had been he would have spoken to Perras. Ohh, gee, there's a thought, having somebody write on the event who attends it...can you say uncited and parasitical?) but Pedalmag.com corrects it. Where was Van de Wille? He can't correct his own mistakes??


USPRO Correction
Perras Top Canadian!


by pedalmag.com

June 6, 2005 – In our 2005 Wachovia USPRO Championships Report we neglected to mention and include in our standings that Canada’s Dominique Perras (Kodak Sierra Nevada) placed 18th


Chris Wherry Takes USPRO Ina Teutenberg Wins Liberty Classic

by Patrick Van de Wille

Ina Teutenberg Wins Liberty Classic
by Patrick Van de Wille June 5, 2005

M-I-C..K-E-Y...M-O-U-S-E, Mickey Mouse,,,Mickey Mouse......!

Eddie Arzouian

Let's see, my calendar says June 8. Yup, June 8.


Pedal Forum Back Shortly by pedalmag.com

June 7, 2005 – The Pedal Forum will back on line shortly. We had some server problems related to hackers and other sites were involved in this matter which delayed progress more than we anticipated. But we fully expect the Forum to be on line this evening. We appreciate your patience and look forward to offering this service once again.


"But we fully expect the Forum to be on line this evening."

Humm, this evening, the memo was written on June 7, so if it is June 8, which it is, and the Pedal Forum is still not working, as is the case, then it looks likes somebody 's expectations have not been met.

Definitiely expectations have not been met.

Maybe Benjy has decided to ban everybody on his fourm and write there alone?




by pedalmag.com June 7, 2005 – The Pedal Forum will back on line shortly. We had some server problems related to hackers and other sites were involved in this matter which delayed progress more than we anticipated. But we fully expect the Forum to be on line this evening. We appreciate your patience and look forward to offering this service once again.

Eddie Arzouian

Yup, Pedal Forum is back up. I'm getting my usual greeting there:


"You have been banned from this forum.
Please contact the webmaster or board administrator for more information."

Jon Jonson

I'm the one who should be banned from the Pedal forums, not Arzouian.
Damn hackers didn't even have the courtesy to delete my alcohol-inspired late night rants. Bastards.