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16-06.-2005, 11:05 AM
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Re: Leg shaving/waxing
I stand by it....
masseurs I see are happy to work on anyone, cyclists, footballers, athletes, strippers ...for them they say hair doesnt come into the equation other than it feels good if shaven and is a bit smoother for the first few massages, if you are hairy , you get use to it.....no THE REAL REASON is medical , acknowledged widely and established, ....and I quote from Washington University ....." surgeons are always concerned about a patient developing an infection after procedure. To reduce the risk of infection, surgeons shave the hair from (the procedure site) of patients. Surgeons know that bacteria may be transferred from the hair to an incision site."....this is the rationale followed by cyclists...reduce infection...shave..... if you want to avoid infection and not shave then follow this proceedure...."wash all body hair with a 4% chlorhexidine shampoo 24 hours before injury and again immediately before injury, then take a full course of antibiotics after injury". so if you can plan your injury and know exactly when it is going to happen, by all means leave your hair where it is!
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16-06.-2005, 11:32 AM
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Re: Leg shaving/waxing
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Well if there is no real advantage being hairless when getting a massage then I suppose thats all the reasons gone. You can quote medical associations and surgeons all you like but if a surgeon is going to come anywhere near you then you obviously have a bit more of a serious problem than a bit of a graze. They also wear face masks, gowns and rubber gloves. Do you wear all of that when you fix yourself so that no bacteria gets on your graze? If you don't then should I assume you're risking serious infection? You can also avoid infection by use of a sterilising agent applied to the cut and proper care of the injury. Does every cut or gaze on unshaven skin get infected if treated properly. If you want to shave / wax then go ahead. Do it for whatever reason you like, just don't try and convince me that its for legitiment cycling benefit. Have fun. |
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16-06.-2005, 01:43 PM
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Re: Leg shaving/waxing
anybody catch The Gooch last Tuesday, profiling the Mt Buller MTB. How was that dude with the elbow graze completely covered in buzzing flies as they sat there being interviewed.
I don't think anyone was wearing a mask or rubber gloves in that shot either. Can't remember last time a rider's grazed injuries resulted in infection which asked for more than what would require normal attention. Does anyone here get upset when their masseur turns up late after you arrive home after your morning ride?
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17-06.-2005, 11:13 AM
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Re: Leg shaving/waxing
There is no reason to shave, except one's own reasons.
Medical: Abstract: This retrospective review of infectious complications was undertaken at two craniofacial centers (Dallas and Philadelphia). Fourteen infections were identified over a 6.5-year period in 567 intracranial procedures primarily for craniosynostosis. There were no infections in infants under 13 months of age and no cases of meningitis. The overall infection rate was 2.5 percent, and 85 percent of infections occurred in secondary reoperative cases. Tracheostomies were not identified as a risk factor for infection. No difference was found in infection rates between patients with shaved and unshaved scalps. Massaging: You prob shave more than getting massages, unless you're a pro. So why not shave just before a massage if it is that important? Pain: Wuss. Ask the girls who are getting waxed, in sensitive spots too. You're complaining about 10 hair follicles, they get thousands done in one go, several of those in a session. Road rash: See above. And then you gotta shave your arms as well, why not those?? If you wanna shave, do so. If not, don't. Just don't trumpet your justification erroneously. |
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17-06.-2005, 02:18 PM
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Re: Leg shaving/waxing
racing cyclists have been shaving there legs 4 70 years I race so i shave my legs its more about the tradition of the sport and to let other racing cyclists no your serious all the other items like massage treatment from falls etc are just side benifits. As a racing cyclist i dont recomend anyone that dosnt race do it, personally i think guys look better with shaved legs than not....And I dont care if people have a problem with that. And for the record most of the guys i no that race will get waxed before a tour rather than shave. + shaved legs make you feel faster.... Racing cycling is a sport and most riders like the feeling of being lean and fast otherwise why would we wear skinsuits do you think A skinsuit has a huge time saving. im here to tell you it dosnt and yet we all wear them.
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17-06.-2005, 02:38 PM
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Re: Leg shaving/waxing
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The surgical profession has shaved the surgical site, with the aim of reducing infection and wound complication rates, for over a century. Unfortunately, as with many aspects of medicine, this was done without any scientific basis. Many branches of surgery have not yet carried out any study of the benefits of surgical site shaving. Those that have (mainly neurosurgeons, facial surgeons and urologists) have found no benefit achieved through shaving in their various very small studies. Many reviewers feel that larger, more powerful studies would show an adverse effect of shaving, as it disrupts the skin barrier and brings bacteria and fungi from hair follicles and glands to the surface. Please keep this debate within justifiable realms; there is no medical basis for the shaving of cyclists' limbs. |
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17-06.-2005, 08:35 PM
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Re: Leg shaving/waxing
Tradition, looks good (chicks love it!), feels good, is good.
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17-06.-2005, 09:27 PM
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Re: Leg shaving/waxing
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yeaaahhhhhh !!!! the case rests!
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19-06.-2005, 12:56 PM
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Re: Leg shaving/waxing
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Finally!!! A true admission. I have absolutely no problem with people who shave their legs. I, along with almost everyone I ride with, get annoyed with people who try to justify it with rediculous reasons and have a "snob" type attitude against those who don't see the need for shaving. Tradition and the personal reasons of the way it feels are perfectly acceptable. Its when people base their riding level and "commitment" level above others because of how they look that it becomes stupid. Its like comparing a shiny big exaust big stereo Lancer with a plain stock Evo. |
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19-06.-2005, 02:11 PM
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Re: Leg shaving/waxing
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well the case almost rests! You must admit it is also a pain (locally and) in the butt pulling bandages and stuck wrappings off any wound, ( although methods of bandaging etc are improving) and as the statistical probability seems somewhat more obvious to a cyclist, anything that adds some comfort, if a graze occurs is a plus...... I agree with your assertion as well, but I guess we move in different circles as I havnt found any one "commitment snobbing" , just because they shave, I guess you have and you shared that experience in this forum with us, fine!  ....its the performance that matters, not the fuzz or lack thereof, as to whether one is committed or not!!...., but as for shaving, if you like the way it feels or for whatever , yoo choose not to, that's it, the choice...make your own, & ride on !
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19-06.-2005, 03:48 PM
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Re: Leg shaving/waxing
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So you shave regularly just in case you might have to put a bandage on your legs? As someone else said, why not shave your arms too? Personally I'd take the occasional extra pain over the annoyance of shaving. |
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19-06.-2005, 05:01 PM
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Re: Leg shaving/waxing
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maybe you could get some hormones from the doc to fix that "annoyance" for yourself!
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20-06.-2005, 08:50 PM
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Re: Leg shaving/waxing
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So now I'm taking drugs so I don't have to worry about a band-aid pulling off some hair? Oh kay... |
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21-06.-2005, 12:25 PM
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Re: Leg shaving/waxing
I have to laugh every time I hear men give reasons for shaving their legs. It amazes me how people can rattle off any number of reasons without actually thinking about the reality of it. Very few people will admit that they only do it for aesthetic reasons.[/QUOTE]
Finally, at the end of all this waffle, is most likely the true answer...because it looks good. Aids in healing...purlease... Here is one thought for you all. Hair is on the body for a reason. It regulates body temp, protects the skin and keeps germs out of places they shouldnt be. Think, head, eyes, armpits, legs, groins etc.. Non professional road cyclists only shave/wax legs because of peer pressure to "look the part". Now i am not saying for a second that it doesnt look nice as it does but there is also something much sexier about a man who looks like a man and has some hair on his legs. |
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27-06.-2005, 10:22 PM
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Re: Leg shaving/waxing
OK here goes my two pennies worth.
I am an ex-pro cyclist (Now 38) from the UK, and am a healthcare worker who spends my waking hours in an operating theatre. To clarify a few things raised here. 1. Whilst shaving doesn't prevent infection, it decreases the risk of contamination significantly. We may be wosses, but removing dressings from the effects of road rash and graizes can be substantially more painful when the area has significant hair. Note: If you ever see footy players with their boots or shirts off, you'll see those who get there shoulders and ankles strapped have had the hair removed. 2. Legs are the area of the body where over 85% of injuries of abrasion occur, those on the arms remove skin from areas usually very devoid of hair. 3. 0.04 seconds per km is the average speed gain from having smooth legs. 4. It is true that females seem to like the look of the shaved leg, and when on a well trained and developed cyclist the muscle is more cut, in the same way that some women like the look of the cut of a man's chest, not the masses of hair that some have. We are in a world of less hair, and either way ppl are allowed a preference. This post started with the question on why we shave, and hopefully the poster has had that answered. There have been a number of respondents who have chosen to belittle the question and make personal attacks, and others who apparently have me baffled to why they even bother posting here, as they appear to have no interest in the ways of this sport. My suggestion, for what it's worth, watch the TDF this year and get some prospective, or do us all a favour and 'make like a hooker' |
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