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Old 20-06.-2005, 11:27 PM   #76
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I understand what you say are the benefits of the linear pedaling style. But, I don't understand how one does it as compared with traditional pedaling style (if there is any such thing). Even a set of stick figure drawings of the complete 360 degree pedaling stroke at, say, 10 degree spacing showing the forces being applied by the cyclist and using what muscles would be helpful. For example, does the emphasis on creating force from 11 - 1 compromise the max. force normally applied at 3 o'clock? Where can I see this video? Is it online? Can you provide a link? Has anybody extracted still images from the video?






Power is applied from the hip through the leg and from the shoe to the pedal from 11 to 5 o'c in a line that feels parallel to the arm resistance pulling line, the rotating pedal, crank and full range of ankle movement extend and convert this line into a semicircle which with both pedals gives almost continuous power application. There is the same power application from start to finish of the power stroke, so generated power appliction would be the same at 11 as at 3 but due to total unweighting of rising leg, overall power application at 3 would be greater than at 11, 12 and 1 o'c. That video has been offered for sale in most magazines , "cycling weekly" is one of these.
Apart from seeing the smoothest possible pedaling action, you will learn nothing from the video, experts have been studying it for years. You need off the bike examples of how the power is generated and applied to the pedals and even what your main objective is. So that calls for a demonstration of the whole technique.
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Old 21-06.-2005, 09:19 AM   #78
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For that matter, what apparently makes you believe that I don't lift weights?


Dr. Coggan, I presume that you don't lift weights with the specific intent on improving your speed on the bike? If you were to lift weights, would you be doing so to correct/stabilize/balance joints and/or would you be doing so to provide weight-bearing activity to your routine to offset reported loss in bone density among avid practioners of non-weightbearing activities? Wow...that was a mouthful!!

Also, if one had limited time to spend on the bike/trainer due to weather or an extreme disgust with pedalling in place, do you think that resistance-training would be as good/better than/worse than some other forms of cross-training such as running?

Thanks for your input!

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Old 21-06.-2005, 04:52 PM   #79
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This is very fascinating! To which video do you refer? As a youth I was always told Anquetiel's pedaling technique was particularly efficient; nowadays, I gather it's thought of as idiosyncratic-toes down, etc. In a recent movie made about his life a number of older clips of his historic victories were shown. It was noted in the film that his legs were remarkably thin and that his lower back was extremely strong-what this may mean I know not. Not only was his pedaling beautiful to behold, but his overall form and constant speed, maintained under the worst possible conditions, were a pleasure to see. Having said that, I'm sure the local pundits will decry any attempt to imitate this style-I suspect they will reiterate their claim that his style was idiosyncratic and the form of the great champions shouldn't be mimicked. Perhaps they're right in this case. However, what do they have to offer as an example?
In any event, only believe what they can prove-not what they say.




It is the same video that you refer to, there is only one that I know of. In that video, some believed that Anquetil's high gear power came from his strong back but I am confident that the reverse was true. While all other riders had their backs under continuous pedalling strain, Anquetil's lower back enjoyed a relaxing beneficial massaging effect during all hours spent on the bike and the higher the gear used, the more beneficial it was to his back.
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Old 06-07.-2005, 07:45 AM   #80
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To wrap up this thread, I've concluded that the source of my back pain was probably my gluteus medius muscles, just from the result of beginning to do intervals and climbing and, basically, pushing harder. I trained through the discomfort and have no problems now. The experience did force me to think about the role of my upper body and I have concluded that, for now, it's only role is to keep me stable on the saddle and that upper body weight work may make me more attractive to the opposite sex but will not affect my power on the bike one iota. Maybe some day I'll figure out how to do the "magical" Anquetiel pedaling style, but for now I just push and, if I can think of it, unweight on the upstroke.

Thanks all for your input. Happy cycling.
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Old 12-07.-2005, 02:10 PM   #81
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Just as an aside...

I discovered when I started riding that I was terrible at endurance riding and long hills. So I decided to focus on track sprinting.

I've been pushing a lot of weight in the Gym and got stronger very quickly and have found that yes, the long hills and long rides are still a killer. BUT, I'm becoming a good sprinter on the group rides and can absolutely power up smaller hills better than all the comptetive riders I know.

Unfortunately I'm a wreck on anything over 30 kilometres....
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What is the optimal role of the upper body in pedaling, particularly the arms? Do they contribute to power and, if so, how? I sometimes find myself wanting to pull with my arms, especially when climbing on the saddle. Apart from getting a sore back, can I apply more power by actively using my arms? Are there any scientific studies of the forces applied to the handlebars by the top cyclists (e.g., force-instrumented bars or bars with strain gauges)?


Check out Active.com for some good core exercises. I have noticed a huge difference between last year and this year in the hills after doing core work every week. It sounds strange but Yoga in the off season helped me out a lot too. Good luck.

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