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Van de Wille

Oooh, I know, I know, pick me! Pick me!

The correct answer is "Not as many accomplishments as Ed Arzouian, esq." It's actually a trick question, because the answer is always the same no matter what the question. Ed, would you be kind enough to post your resume online for the three-millionth time, for the benefit of those like Uboat whose head, in your estimation, was inserted in his nether quarters for the entire period of the mid-80s through the 90s? Thanks in advance.

Eddie Arzouian

Not exactly he/she was doing it anonymously and simply for spite. I'm doing it to prove a point and sign my name.


It is a subtle difference I suppose and you may not grasp it, Patrick.

Hey, Patrick while you are here, do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth or will you be spreading more lies?

I'm just curious...

Patrick tell us a few stories of your competitive cycling days (without the bear suit) and the guys and teams you raced with. Or maybe about the events you have organized? Fill us in on the guys you have coached and teams you have managed.

Here you can put it all between these quotation marks "_" !!!!

Now I am laughing out loud.

We're all ears.....or eyes, I guess.

Eddie Arzouian

I found it!


I found it!!


One true thing Patrick Van de Wille has written lately:

"Whoa boy, I think it's silly to say I have better knowledge of cycling than Ed. My own list of racing accomplishments is very, very scarce (though I did win one of the two races I entered, riding Chris Firek's too-tall bike and dressed up in the Ultramar Bear suit for the celebrity race). My only claim is spectator- and journalist-side. "Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:07 am

Just so we are clear were you telling the truth when you wrote that statement or were you lying again?

It is so hard to know for sure......

I'm having this printed on a t-shirt and will be wearing it over the summer at races. Maybe I should sell it on my website? Would I owe you royalites on that Patrick? I'll put a proposal together since you have never signed a merchandising deal either.

Uboat

See, I knew Patrick's name. He was on TV and in the newspapers and big cycling mags (winning, not pedal) during those years.

And he never claimed to be a coach/journalist/manager/marketing/organizer/whatever. He is not a jack of all trades master of none; he's a damn fine writer and commentator.

What will happen, Mr. Arzouian, when you find out you don't have that CCA job? I can't honestly believe with all the shit you post everywhere that you honestly think you have a chance in hell. Do you?

Uboat

Why do you insist on posting the same "facts", the same "quotes", the same "proof", your resume, the same points, over and over and over and over and over again?

It doesn't read any better the 1000th time.

Van de Wille

What do you mean, you found, it? You keep it posted above your bed, so it's the first thing you see in the morning. You have it in reverse script on your bathroom wall, so you can read it behind you when you're looking in the mirror, clipping nosehairs...

Anyway, doesn't matter: I've done more than some and less than others. Doesn't make me less entitled to my opinions, except in Ed-land of course.

For the record: two seasons of very light training and four races, one of them in a state of, uh... extreme aerodynamism (lol) and the other in the aforementioned bear suit. But the other two were legit races, for an established team, under the tutelage of a future leading figure in Canadian competitive cycling (I know you're still scratching your head over that one - lol).

Please govern yourself accordingly.

Uboat

Ok, I'll say it r e a l l y slowly. You asked how I can't know your name since you are so well-known in cycling (which you are, I realize now, for the wrong reasons). You presupposed that this site is merely about road racing, or racing at all. Cycling does not only revolve around racing, or road racing. It's a small aspect. Ever gone to a bike store and talked to people buy bikes? Lots of times they have not a clue about racing, save for Armstrong.

But most importantly: what the hell does that have to do with how you go back to all the forums that you tell us you are much better without, that cyclingforums is so great, that Jones and Sadavoy are idiots, and so forth? Why don't you just not go there at all? Instead, you try (I'd assume daily) to get back on there!

Van de Wille

Reads just as good to Ed, even the millionth time...

Uboat

Patrick, let's not fuel this guy anymore. He's obviously got some problems.

I can't believe he honestly thinks he will get this job at the CCA. Can you imagine what they said when they got his resume? Wish I could have been there.

Uboat

And Good day sir.

Eddie Arzouian

Patrick was not on TV before 1993, only after. Don't believe me, ask him. Obviously you were not around. During those years Patrick was interviewing me and my team to write his stories. As he said, he was a spectator and reporter. I was also writing about cycling before Van de Wille was. I was writing in Pedal before Sadavoy owned it.

If I do not get the CCA job I will do exactly what I have been doing for the last three year as of this July 24, I will be noting all the mistakes made by the CCA and pointing out its failures, here and to the media directly. Why would I do anything else if my efforts to assist are ignored and rebuffed?

Uboat

My point, Mr. Arzouian, was that Patrick was on TV because he's good at what he does. He made it. He is a good journalist, a great writer. He can spell and construct sentences.

There's no way in hell that the CCA will hire you. If they know the stories about you that we all do, there's no way. And I'm sure they are familiar with them.

Good day Sir.

Eddie Arzouian

As I wrote earlier I have a recommendation from a well-respected, long-standing member of the cycling community and Chairperson of a CCA committee. I also have the recommendation of a Director at a Provincial Association. So, Somebody seems to be taking it quite seriously.

There is absolutely no question that I can do the job and do it extremely well. The only question is whether the CCA will look past petty personal differences with people who probably will not even be around next season.

When you say "CCA" you make it sound like a huge organization. Of course they know all my stories, they all know me and have for years. (except for Lacelle and Adams who were just hired).

I have known most CCA Presidents since 1975. Did you know that CCA President has a son who is the President of Quebec Liberal Party Policy Committee and he is married to Claude Ryan's daughter. They are family friends. Marc Lemay who was President of the CCA about 15 years ago is now a Bloc MP in Ottawa.

Do you know how many CCA Directors and coaches I have seen come and go? Almsot always leavign the CCA worse than when they got there.


I managed a Canadian national team project for the CCA as far back as 1987 or '88. I hired Kris Westwood to ride for me in some races in 1991 or 1992. I have spoken to Brett Stewart numerous times over the years including all last year and this year. I have no problems wiht Brett. Remember I publicly supported him as the new COO. He is one of those people Patrick says never gets back to me.

Eric Van den Eynde coached me on his Quebec Provincial teams. I even raced against Eric, I beat him as Junior in some races when he was a Senior (he beat me back of course in others)

I have met at least three or four Provincial Presidents. I like to think I get along with two of them rather well. I have known Lesley Tomlinson since 1990 or earlier. I would have hired her to race for me when we were thinking about expanding Evian to a women 's team in 1991. Uboat, you don't know jack. You don't know me, either.

I have known Rob Jones since he used to hide in the woods to get pictures when he and I both wrote for Pedal probably before Van de Wille had been to his first bike race, though maybe he went as a kid since he seems to have some Belgian roots.

Do not presume to question me, Uboat.

PS Patrick, I have no interest at all in who you did your two other races for. Two races? Who cares? Who trains for two years to do two (or four) races? Are you afraid of a peloton? I did about 60 to 80 races PER year for five years as Senior, shit, as Minime we did 20 races a year. Evian guys did 80 to 100 races a season.

You shouldn't embarrass yourself by even bringing it up.

Uboat

I don't think you need to know much to see that no company, federation or corporation would ever rehire someone like you, Sir, after your string of firings, weapons/drugs/harassment charges, and verbal assaults on these forums. I'm sure there's more you have done that we don't even know about.

But, I guess we can both see in a few weeks.

Good day Sir, I have a family and life to attend to.