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tire Choice 19 v 23mm=23w

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Old 22-06.-2005, 01:38 AM   #16
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Doesn't some of that 19W number come from the fact that the tire may lay more flush to the sides of the rim? When i look at a 25c tire on a wheel it bulges out from the rim more than a 23, i would imagine a 19 lays pretty flush and therefore there would be less disturbance of the air going over it, reducing the drag numbers. I don't know if i explained that well but it makes sense to me
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Old 22-06.-2005, 01:46 AM   #17
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Doesn't some of that 19W number come from the fact that...

Most if not all of that 19 watt # comes from poor test protocols, rather than the tire change itself.
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Old 22-06.-2005, 02:33 AM   #18
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Doesn't some of that 19W number come from the fact that the tire may lay more flush to the sides of the rim? When i look at a 25c tire on a wheel it bulges out from the rim more than a 23, i would imagine a 19 lays pretty flush and therefore there would be less disturbance of the air going over it, reducing the drag numbers. I don't know if i explained that well but it makes sense to me


I did consider this when I examined these numbers. Let's examine the underlying principles: drag force is portional to "drag coefficient (CD) * Frontal Area".
We know that the frontal area is only reduced by ~ 0.0018 m^2 (effectively the difference between the width of the two tires). This means that to obtain the 19W+ improvement would required the drag coefficient to be reduced by more than 9%. For example a CD value of 0.65 being reduced to 0.595. To put this in context this type of improvement is the difference between going from a CD value associated with the same cyclist going from an excellent aero tri-bar position to that of an absolute world class aero tri-bar position - all by changing the tire width by 3 mm.
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Old 22-06.-2005, 05:30 AM   #19
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I wasn't saying that i agree with the data, just trying to come up with a way that it could be explained. Conti didn't go into any detail about how they got this data, but my guess is they didn't put the bike in a wind tunnel to figure it out, and therefore i feel as if it is probably suspect.
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