Talk about peaking!

Van de Wille

The fact you had a bunch of crappy hearsay information didn't stop you from posting at length about it on Pedal? Is that correct? And your inability to land a journalism job surprises and offends you?

And the lack of info also didn't stop you from slagging it with your favorite tool: a bunch of mean-spirited rhetorical questions? Because they weren't doing something as big as what you'd done with Evian? Am I getting this right? Doesn't it sound too familiar, Ed crapping on everybody else because what they're doing isn't as big as what he did, a decade and change ago?

I never thought I could pull off an Ed-style all-question post... eh?

Eddie Arzouian

Getting more of the future plans instead of the crappy hearsay, didn't change that fact of the matter that, for the time being, Evian is still the best cycling team in Canadian history by far. Count the press clippings, time the video footage, look at the Olympic team members, count the national titles, count the sponsors, look at the quality of the sponsors, gauge name recognition, count jerseys sold, use any measure you want, Evian still comes out on top.


You can try to revise history if you like Patrick but the facts remain.

As for my journalstic writing the best you have ever been able to do, Paddy our Lapped Canuk, in emulating it is copy it. You wrote for trade magazines, I covered the sport for the mainstream press. Do we want to count stories in the mainstream press? My 300 or more to your what, 20? Tell us how many stories you got published it a mainstream newspaper and not a monthly trade magazine that came out two months after the fact? I covered two, three, four races a week EVERY week for months. You wrote a race report and column once a month. Big deal...

sub55

okay, just so the kids don't get confused in all of this ... Ed, this is about you?

Huh? Is this what you managed to get Pedal and Canadian Cyclist to degenerate to? Your battles with everyone on the Forum - do you see a pattern?

Of course you don't - silly me.

Eddie Arzouian

Sub 55, look at Van de Wille's post ABOUT ME above.


You think I would not respond to that?

You and I had been debating/discussing/slamming with each other over the national crit champoionship. We had pretty much wound up the thread. I gave you the last word.

Then for out of left field comes Van de Wille denouncing my journalism skills? You don't think that is personal? He wasn't even in the discussion and he comes up with that, something from Pedal months ago, out the blue.

You're damn right I will respond and challenge that.

Van de Wille could have just left left it alone, but no...


Let's see him tell us who had more stories published in total and by the mainstream press.

I probably wrote more cycling reports in a year than he has written his whole life. I matched, at least, eveything he did in Pedal, I was there first, and also had stuff in The Gazette, The G&M (who do you think wrote the only comprehensive Road Nationals cycling coverage EVER published in The G&M in the last 30 years???? I did in 1988, I'm not sure Van de Wille was even in cycling then. If anybody has another G&M nationals story in that peroid let me know), every newspaper in every town we travelled to and Bicycling and VeloNews.

Now that IS about me.

Van de Wille

Vintage Ed. Gets called on being willing to fire off mean-spirited posts based on what he admits himself is crappy third-hand information. Gets called on posting something that contradicts what he posted before. His reaction: Hey, no harm no foul. Let's move on to a better topic! Like Evian! Like his journalism skills!

Ed, I worked for a major newspaper for close to ten years (unlike you, who just dreams that he did because he has some friendly e-mails from editors at The Gazoo) - please don't teach me about journalism. Do my, oh, 300+ hours of cycling commentary on mainstream TV stations count? How about the 200+ hours of soccer commentary, also on mainstream networks like Fox Sports? And letters to the editor don't count as "articles" or "columns" anywhere else but in your poseur-journalist head.

Van de Wille

Out of the blue? It was posted in this thread. And replied to by you.

Eddie Arzouian

Patrick, you know very well from 1988 to about 1992 I was the only person at The Gazette covering cycling until you wrote to the Managing Editor, Alan Allnutt, to get me fired. In that perioud I had zero letters to the editor and over 300 stories filed. I continued writing for The Gazette after that under a pen name, Randy Renaud, who was my room-mater, a DJ at CHOM-FM and often went to the races. I even used to send him to Winnipeg his hometown as the Evian team manager for the Cobblestone Classic. Randy also had a Master Degree in English Lit. and actually did write a couple of those Gazette reports under his own name.

In 1998 I covered the Quebec Ice Racing (car) championships for The Gazette for two months across Quebec. I actually attended the events.


I do not care about your soccer coverage. I have never seen it so I cannot comment.

Your TV cycling coverage was good I have stated that in many places. While you were doing it I even sent you a congratulatory note or two. We both know Louis Bertrand helped a lot, too.

Uboat

So Patrick got you fired from the Gazette, banned from CC and Pedal forum? Did he get you fired from Velonews and the Worlds committee too? Anything else?

If you are as a good a journalist or employee as you say, then Patrick must be a helluva conman-the devil himself-in order to convince your employers to fire you.

Van de Wille

If your journalism pedigree is so excellent, why do you gloss over the fact that you blather off on Pedal's forums about Symmetrics based on what you now admit is crap information? For a guy willing to wax long & hard about journalism experience, seems like a pretty elementary faux-pas. you've bitched enough about others not knowing anything when they write: do you apply the same standards to yourself?

Nice to know we both have experience outside cycling: you covered the ice racing championships for the Gazette for two weeks, and I did four years of soccer broadcasts for networks like Fox Sports. Must seem about even on the ol' Ed scale.

Van de Wille

No no, it's perfectly true that I got him "fired" at The Gazette (inasmuch as a freelancer who submits mainly 75-word unbylined briefs can be fired): I got sick of reading teeny little race reports that carefully mentioned where all the Evian riders placed but scracely mentioned the winner (I remember one that actually forgot to mention the winner, though I'm willing to blame a copy editor). So I called them on the conflict of interest, which seemed clear enough to me.

The rest of the firings Ed was more than able to manage himself.

Eddie Arzouian

No, Patrick was not a con man.


Patrick wrote a nice letter to Alan Allnutt who was the Managing Editor at the time, who went on to be the Editor-in-Chief at The Gazette then the Times-Colonist in Victoria and is now back as Gazette publisher.

Van de Wille claimed there was a conlflict of interest in my writing for The Gazette and managing the Evian team. Never mind that I wrote for The Gazet ebefore managing Evian and that I was th guy that got cycling coverage in the Gazette in the frist place when non existed before. I suppose Patrick thought he could step in if I was fired and take up the slack. It did not happen.

Van de Wille's leter to the Managing Editor was one part of it and was compounded by the fact that I was not unionized and had too many stories appearing with "Special to The Gazette" in the by-line. The union wanted me to stop writing or to be hired full-time. I did not want to be hired full-time and The Gazette was not looking for more sports guys.

So what Patrick's letter risked was getting no coverage of cycling in the Gazette because the Gazette would not assign a staffer to do it.

Lucky for everybody except Patrick, Pat Hickey who was the Sports Editor stuck by me. interestingly when Allnutt became Editor-in-Chief he replaced Hickey as Sports Ediotr.

All office politcs.

Pat Hickey is now the only guy covering cycling at The Gazette and he covers mainly only the woman. He likes Lynn Bessette a lot and she live near him out in the Eastern Townships I think.

Eddie Arzouian

Absolute lies.

I wrote articles with a byline and even photos in the piece. I can fax a hundred or so to anybody that wants to see them today, right now. Did my stories on ALL the Mens World Cups appear in brief, Patrick? More lies

As for the bias, that is untrue as well. While Le Journal de Montreal and La Presse were running Evian photos and headlines I only made mention of the team.

If Patrick has piece I wrote that did not mention the winner I would like to see it. I'll email him my fax number and wait the piece..

Van de Wille

LMAO!! For "I was not unionized" read "I was not an employee". "I did not want to be hired full-time"?! Your ambition wasn't The Gazoo, but The Suburban? Didn't you spend much of the rest of the decade trying to get hired at The Gazoo, and feel cheated when you didn't?

Ennyway, enough. I have a tee time. Cheerio!

Uboat

Hold on. Mr. Arzouian, you were operating the Evian team and writing race reports for the Gazette? Aren't you the same guy who has gone on about corruption, conflicts of interest (i.e. the Hutsebaut family, and so on) at the CCA and Worlds? Wouldn't it have been more correct to abstain from writing anything, seeing as your team was racing? I'd say that's a huge conflict of interest. But I guess if you are doing it, it doesn't matter. Go ahead, go on about Mr. Hutsebaut or Patrick writing about Magicuts, or whatever now and don't answer my claim.