Homeopathy and the germ theory of disease

Peter Bowditch

hubbca@austarmetro.com.au (Carole) wrote:

>TO BE OR NOT TO BE? 150 Years of Hidden Knowledge
>by Christopher Bird 1991 (Nexus Magazine April 1992)
>http://www.whale.to/p/bird.html

A trifecta of whackoery! Plant conversationalist Bird writes an
article for Nexus which gets reproduced at Scudamoreland!

The only thing that would make it better would be for Carole to tell
us about it.

But, wait ...

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David Wright

In article <fcb180f1.0311230429.16479644@posting.google.com>,
Carole <hubbca@austarmetro.com.au> wrote:
>wright@clam.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote in message
>news:<sGVub.22710$4a3.20062@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>...
>
>> >This is in complete agreement with Be'champs theories. The
>microzymas are the
>> >building blocks of the cells and possess their own DNA and life force.
>> >Be'champ was able to successfully culture the critters back to life
>out of 200
>> >million year old chalk deposits. As far as normal processes go, they are
>> >IMMORTAL!!!
>> >
>> >Kinda neat, don't you think?
>>
>> Kind of a neat example of self-delusion. I don't suppose it could be
>> that Bechamp was culturing much more recent bacteria that had managed
>> to colonize his sample?
>
>I thought you would have known about this Dave. Read about how the
>microzymas are immortal and can't be killed with sterilising methods.

No thanks -- I decided to read Grimm's Fairy Tales instead. Just as
truthful and more educational.

I also tried typing "microzymas" into Medline. Guess what? Zero
hits.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

DRCEEPHD

>Subject: Re: Homeopathy and the germ theory of disease
>From: wright@clam.prodigy.net (David Wright)
>Date: 11/23/03 3:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <ml8wb.23793$_t1.21833@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>

>I also tried typing "microzymas" into Medline. Guess what? Zero
>hits.
>
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net

Did you really expect to find the truth there? Tsk, Tsk, not tooooo bright of
you.

Dr. C.

David Wright

In article <20031123163747.01432.00000639@mb-m20.aol.com>,
DRCEEPHD <drceephd@aol.com> wrote:
>>Subject: Re: Homeopathy and the germ theory of disease
>>From: wright@clam.prodigy.net (David Wright)
>>Date: 11/23/03 3:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <ml8wb.23793$_t1.21833@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>
>
>>I also tried typing "microzymas" into Medline. Guess what? Zero
>>hits.
>>
>> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
>
>Did you really expect to find the truth there? Tsk, Tsk, not tooooo bright of
>you.

Perhaps it's not the whole story. But it's far more truth than I'm
going to get from the likes of you, not-really-a-Dr Chuck.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Matthew Cline

Carole was touched by the minds of the terrible Old Ones, and imparted unto us
these blasphemous ravings:

> I thought you would have known about this Dave. Read about how the
> microzymas are immortal and can't be killed with sterilising methods.
>
> TO BE OR NOT TO BE? 150 Years of Hidden Knowledge
> by Christopher Bird 1991 (Nexus Magazine April 1992)
> http://www.whale.to/p/bird.html

From http://www.whale.to/p/bird.html

| There was, of course, the possibility that the newly generated
| "animacules" - as Leuwenhock, inventor of the microscope called them
| when he first viewed them - could have invaded the cultures from the
| ambient atmosphere or that they could have appeared because the
| culture media had been improperly sterilized. To rule these out,
| Reich superheated his bion cultures to find that the ostensibly
| "dead" mixtures still gave rise to the higher microbic forms.

| This led to the further conclusion that bions, as preliminary stages
| of life, were embodiments of an indestructible life force that
| defied death. This life energy he called "Orgone."

Consider various canned foods, like baked beans and tomato soup concentrate,
which can stay on the shelf for some time without changing, but open them up
and put them in room temperature conditions, and they start to rot. If these
"animacules" were truly immortal/indestructible, and gave rise to bacteria,
these canned foods would start to rot long before they got opened up
(anaerobic bacteria could digest the food without access to oxygen). It
would be impossible to properly sterilize *anything*.

| So apparently outlandish a discovery as that of a new "life energy"
| could not but rile biologists who had long sought to dispose of
| "vitalistic theories" such as those of the French philosopher, Henri
| Bergson, who postulated an elan vital, or the German biologist, Hans
| Driesch, who, borrowing the term from Aristotle, referred to
| entelechy. Biology was coming increasingly under the cold sway of a
| physics which adamantly rejected any "mystical" notions such as
| those of a "primal creator" or a "force of life", and therefore
| dutifully took its cue from the branch of science considered "first
| among peers."

It wasn't the concept of an indestructible life force which "riled"
biologists, but rather that the simple "animacules" could quickly give rise
to much more complicated living cells. The idea that these simple objects
could, in a matter of hours (or minutes), produce DNA, ribosomes and even
larger organelles, and arrange them such that they can survive and
reproduce... *That* is what's got them laughing.

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Doug

"Matthew Cline" <matt_newz@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:%6ewb.38581$3T1.25124@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
> Carole was touched by the minds of the terrible Old Ones, and imparted
unto us
> these blasphemous ravings:
>

Not suprisingly, this is 100% correct!
(Maybe not, but it is the best explanation of Carole's behavior I have heard
so far)


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Tsu Dho Nimh

hubbca@austarmetro.com.au (Carole) wrote:

>Are you sure about that? From what I can gather germs mutate according
>to the environment they find themselves in. So everybody can be
>exposed to the same germs, which will make some people very sick and
>others will not be affected.

It has NOTHING to do with the germs mutating in the people, and a
whole lot to do with:

1. The major and minor differences in the people. For example,
the deaths from SARS were largely confined to Asians ... come to
find out that they have a genetic difference in cell surface
antigens that makes it easy for the virus to invade and destroy
lung cells.
The major and minor differences in the previous exposure to
similar bacteria and viruses. For example, if you have been ill
from one of three main variants of dengue virus, getitng any ot
the others is much more likely to kill you.

2. The major and minor differences in the strains of bacteria and
viruses - there are numerous minor genetic variants, and
sometimes only a few of the many are serious pathogens,

>If a person has a good internal flora the germs mutate to become
>harmless, and vice versa.

ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT!



>"Louis Pasteur is said to have said on his death bed that really he
>had been wrong about his "Germ Theory" of disease.

He is "said to have said" many things, including begging for
devine forgiveness for having dared interfere with God's plan by
developing vaccines that worked.

>He said then, in so
>many words, that, it is not the germ that is the problem, it is the
>internal environment, the internal milieu that allowed the germ to
>develop in the first place that is the problem.

Can you cite as reference any direct communication from someone
who was with him when he died? Anyone can say that they hears
Pasteur said something when he died ... conveniently that was a
century ago and all the witnesses are dead.

>"Add to this the error of William Harvey, who stated in 1651 that the
>cell is the smallest unit of life and the magnitude of this issue
>becomes even more apparent. That was more than 300 years ago!! and
>still, to this day, this fallacy has not been corrected even though
>Bechamp (1816-1908) demonstrated that the smallest unit of life was
>what he called the microzyma and Enderlein again published in 1921 and
>1925 that the smallest unit of life is not the cell but the Protit."

1651? 1880s? 1925?
Certainly the most cutting edge bunch of references I've evre
seen.

Tsu Dho Nimh

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Bronsing

D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:kop691-s62.ln1@news.lumbercartel.com...
> In <fcb180f1.0311230429.16479644@posting.google.com>, Carole wrote:
>
> > I thought you would have known about this Dave. Read about how the
> > microzymas are immortal and can't be killed with sterilising methods.
> >
> > TO BE OR NOT TO BE? 150 Years of Hidden Knowledge
> > by Christopher Bird 1991 (Nexus Magazine April 1992)
> > http://www.whale.to/p/bird.html
>
> I'm impressed. Finally something has been found that
> resists thermonuclear temperatures.

Perhaps they can be used as containers for fusionreactors? No need for cold
fusion research, then..

--

Robert Bronsing

Can't you see?
It all makes perfect sense,
expressed in dollars and cents, pounds, shillings and pence

(R. Waters)

DRCEEPHD

>Subject: Re: Homeopathy and the germ theory of disease
>From: Tsu Dho Nimh tsudhonimh@lumbercartel.com
>Date: 11/24/03 7:25 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <2it3svolg99nh1up10t7mb1oehatijmrr5@4ax.com>

>>"Louis Pasteur is said to have said on his death bed that really he
>>had been wrong about his "Germ Theory" of disease.
>
>He is "said to have said" many things, including begging for
>devine forgiveness for having dared interfere with God's plan by
>developing vaccines that worked.

I have to make a comment on this one.

Pasteur had a biographer. The biographer was present at Pasteur's bedside.
The biographer, the "official" one, has stated for the record that Pasteur
uttered the words, "Bernard was right, the bacteria are nothing, the soil is
everything."

Pasteur was recanting his medical lies.

I am well aware of many of Pasteur's vaccines failing to work, but I have no
evidence of any of them, including his hilarious failures with rabies, ever
working.

Dr. C.

David Wright

In article <20031124175828.28568.00000861@mb-m14.aol.com>,
DRCEEPHD <drceephd@aol.com> wrote:
>>Subject: Re: Homeopathy and the germ theory of disease
>>From: Tsu Dho Nimh tsudhonimh@lumbercartel.com
>>Date: 11/24/03 7:25 AM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <2it3svolg99nh1up10t7mb1oehatijmrr5@4ax.com>
>
>>>"Louis Pasteur is said to have said on his death bed that really he
>>>had been wrong about his "Germ Theory" of disease.
>>
>>He is "said to have said" many things, including begging for
>>devine forgiveness for having dared interfere with God's plan by
>>developing vaccines that worked.
>
>I have to make a comment on this one.
>
>Pasteur had a biographer. The biographer was present at Pasteur's bedside.
>The biographer, the "official" one, has stated for the record that Pasteur
>uttered the words, "Bernard was right, the bacteria are nothing, the soil is
>everything."
>
>Pasteur was recanting his medical lies.
>
>I am well aware of many of Pasteur's vaccines failing to work, but I have no
>evidence of any of them, including his hilarious failures with rabies, ever
>working.

Yes, but you aren't aware of any vaccine ever working. I am well
aware of your hilarious failure to realize that most persons reach
sexual maturity before the age of 18.

You aren't aware of a lot of things, not-a-Dr Chuck.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Ilsa9

>>Subject: Re: Homeopathy and the germ theory of disease
>>From: Tsu Dho Nimh tsudhonimh@lumbercartel.com
>>Date: 11/24/03 7:25 AM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <2it3svolg99nh1up10t7mb1oehatijmrr5@4ax.com>
>
>>>"Louis Pasteur is said to have said on his death bed that really he
>>>had been wrong about his "Germ Theory" of disease.
>>
>>He is "said to have said" many things, including begging for
>>devine forgiveness for having dared interfere with God's plan by
>>developing vaccines that worked.
>
>I have to make a comment on this one.
>
>Pasteur had a biographer. The biographer was present at Pasteur's bedside.
>The biographer, the "official" one, has stated for the record that Pasteur
>uttered the words, "Bernard was right, the bacteria are nothing, the soil is
>everything."
>

I'll bet Chuck can't come up with the name of this official biographer nor any
documentation that there was such a person, at his bedside at death, no less.

Carole

"Bronsing" <r.bronsing@NOSPAMerasmusmc.nl> wrote in message news:<bpsv89$1f7$1@mrelay2.eur.nl>...


> > > TO BE OR NOT TO BE? 150 Years of Hidden Knowledge
> > > by Christopher Bird 1991 (Nexus Magazine April 1992)
> > > http://www.whale.to/p/bird.html
> >
> > I'm impressed. Finally something has been found that
> > resists thermonuclear temperatures.
>
> Perhaps they can be used as containers for fusionreactors? No need for cold
> fusion research, then..

Just read the article, Robert.

Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/soil.htm
"Nothing would be what it is,*
Because everything would be what it isn’t.
And contrary-wise: what it is, it wouldn’t be.*
And what it wouldn’t be, it would.*
You see?"
-- Alice’s Adventures In Wonderland, 1865, by Lewis Carroll,
English writer and mathematician.

Tsu Dho Nimh

drceephd@aol.com (DRCEEPHD) wrote:

>Pasteur had a biographer. The biographer was present at Pasteur's bedside.

Who was it? Name, please.



Tsu Dho Nimh

--
When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
your kid and run for your life.