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TDF Stage 4 Tours - Blois TTT : Spoiler

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Old 06-07.-2005, 01:37 AM   #16
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Looking at the TTT footage on Eurosport, did anyone notice how much LA was sweating ?
He appeared to be sweating profusely during the TTT :

I know that they were travelling at 60kph and naturally riders will sweat but compared to the other riders in his team and his fellow competitors, LA seemed to be sweating profusely.
The corresponding shots of Julich, Voigt, Ullrich showed guys who weren't sweating as profusely (and these guys were travelling as quickly as LA).

I wouldn't read too much into it. Perhaps someone who is sweating is just putting in a greater effort? I know I'm a heavy sweater, so is my father....but that's just the body's natural cooling system, one could see it as an advantage to sweat alot.
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Old 06-07.-2005, 01:56 AM   #17
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...or that you're fat ? ;-)

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I wouldn't read too much into it. Perhaps someone who is sweating is just putting in a greater effort? I know I'm a heavy sweater, so is my father....but that's just the body's natural cooling system, one could see it as an advantage to sweat alot.
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Old 06-07.-2005, 01:58 AM   #18
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...or that you're fat ? ;-)



Or that you drank a 12 pack the night before.
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Old 06-07.-2005, 02:08 AM   #19
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Interesting CSC was shedding not only Zabriskie in the final portions before 1 km, but also Carlos Sastre (formerly a would-be GC contender for past years) and Luke Roberts. Riis was accurate in saying nobody would be waited for (except persumably Basso) if they fell behind after the first 40 km.

15 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC 0.06
16 Luke Roberts (Aus) Team CSC 0.10

Also shedding light on the folly of TM's picks for the TdF team, guess who were shedded except some of the people Kummer/Olaf had picked for their purported TT prowess?

88 Stephan Schreck (Ger) T-Mobile Team 2.01
88 Daniele Nardello (Ita) T-Mobile Team
179 Tobias Steinhauser (Ger) T-Mobile Team 7.17

Especially Schreck and Steinhauser.

Nicely, Popo starts in white tomorrow (although nobody, Popo included, will care at DC). It was nice to see B Noval in the front row on the podium, beside Hincapie, now beaming since he was able to keep up.
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Old 06-07.-2005, 02:09 AM   #20
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TTT : very interesting viewing.

Poor David Zabriskie : crashing before the last kilometre of the course, as well.
If the crash had occured within the final kilometre, he would have got the CSC
final time which was 1.97secs slower than Discovery and would have still been in yellow.
Very disappointing for DZ.

Great ride by Liberty and Mobile : 34secs isn't a bad result for Mobile and Liberty
did very very well.

CSC were very very impressive.

hey lim, i've been searching the rules but I don't think the kilo/group time rule applies to TTT. i missed the audio feed, did any of the commentators suggest otherwise?
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Old 06-07.-2005, 02:12 AM   #21
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Interesting CSC was shedding not only Zabriskie in the final portions before 1 km, but also Carlos Sastre (formerly a would-be GC contender for past years) and Luke Roberts. Riis was accurate in saying nobody would be waited for (except persumably Basso) if they fell behind after the first 40 km.

15 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC 0.06
16 Luke Roberts (Aus) Team CSC 0.10

Also shedding light on the folly of TM's picks for the TdF team, guess who were shedded except some of the people Kummer/Olaf had picked for their purported TT prowess?

88 Stephan Schreck (Ger) T-Mobile Team 2.01
88 Daniele Nardello (Ita) T-Mobile Team
179 Tobias Steinhauser (Ger) T-Mobile Team 7.17

Especially Schreck and Steinhauser.

Nicely, Popo starts in white tomorrow (although nobody, Popo included, will care at DC). It was nice to see B Noval in the front row on the podium, beside Hincapie, now beaming since he was able to keep up.

The team tactic was for Steinhauser and Schreck to give it 100% in the first 50km, they're just excess weight in the final part espcially as it goes uphill. Musette you always must find something to criticise don't you?
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hey lim, i've been searching the rules but I don't think the kilo/group time rule applies to TTT. i missed the audio feed, did any of the commentators suggest otherwise?

The Eurosport guys said they don't apply even in the last Km.

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Old 06-07.-2005, 02:30 AM   #23
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Hmm, that's correct re: Stainhauser being deliberately shed. T-Mobile now indicates: "Three kilometres later, Tobias Steinhauser dropped off the back, a victim of his own pace making. "It was planned that Tobias would sacrifice himself in the earlier part of the course, take some big turns at the front and keep the tempo high for as long as he could," said Ludwig. Significantly, T-Mobile shed two more riders in the last few kilometres, coming home with six, whereas all nine Disco boys finished together."

From cyclingnews live coverage (approx times):

3:40 p.m. (15:40) - T-Mobile starts off

16:31 CEST
Tobias Steinhauser (TMO) is dropped.

Around 50 minutes into the 1.10.39 ride (using DC's faster time), Steinhauser gets shed.

The 1 km rule definitely applies to TTT. The regular rule for other stages (except obviously ITT) is now 3 km, but for TTT, it's 1 km. That was added in response to Simoni arguments he got a separate time last year because he fell in the final parts.
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Old 06-07.-2005, 02:33 AM   #24
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When two riders have the same time, but one rider wins the stage, the jersey goes to the stage winner.

IOW, Discovery won the stage so Armstrong gets yellow even if he has the same time as Zabriskie.
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That was terrible. A great TTT marred by the worst possible crash: the yellow jersey crashing just outside 1 km. If he hadn't crashed CSC might have come in a second or two faster. Whatever the case, I was so disappointed to see this, both for CSC and Zabriskie.

T-Mobile and Liberty were wonderful. Discovery excellent, not surprisingly. Phonak looked out of practise on TTT...
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Looking at the TTT footage on Eurosport, did anyone notice how much LA was sweating ?
He appeared to be sweating profusely during the TTT :



I noticed when he crossed the finish line with a final 'thrust' several drops left his face.
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Old 06-07.-2005, 03:54 AM   #27
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I noticed when he crossed the finish line with a final 'thrust' several drops left his face.

I saw the same thing happen in a porno I watched with my wife last night. Is Armstrong related to Peter North?
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Looking at the TTT footage on Eurosport, did anyone notice how much LA was sweating ?
He appeared to be sweating profusely during the TTT :

I know that they were travelling at 60kph and naturally riders will sweat but compared to the other riders in his team and his fellow competitors, LA seemed to be sweating profusely.
The corresponding shots of Julich, Voigt, Ullrich showed guys who weren't sweating as profusely (and these guys were travelling as quickly as LA).

I didn't actually see the TT that close, but it is my understanding that Lance had some extremly long pulls at the front. If that was the case, he must have wanted the last TT he rode real bad. Maybe he thought he could catch Ullrich again and pass him. Maybe after Sherwin's comments the other day , he wanted to catch the "strawberry" again and share it with his teammates.
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I saw the same thing happen in a porno I watched with my wife last night. Is Armstrong related to Peter North?


He could be. After all, both are renowned for their impressive finishes...
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Old 06-07.-2005, 04:42 AM   #30
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The Eurosport guys said they don't apply even in the last Km.

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Sean Kelly and David Harmon on Eurosport both quoted the TTT rule book saying "that if DZ had fallen within the last 1000metres he would have been accorded the CSC finish time (that is the time of the fifth CSC rider crossing the finish
line), However because DZ fell before the final 1000 metre mark, he can't have the same time recorded as his team mates who crossed the finish line ".

They're the rules folks.
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