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Old 20-07.-2005, 05:15 PM   #1
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Floyd Landis: Some less than complimentary comments in this morning's L'Equipe about his former team leader's qualities as a team captain did not go down well with said captain. Landis received some very audible opinions from the yellow jersey as they came down the Marie Blanque.

http://www.eurosport.co.uk/home/pag...sto743598.shtml

"In general, it's very difficult to be friends with your boss," Phonak rider Floyd Landis said in French sports daily L'Equipe, reminiscing on his time spent in Lance Armstrong's "company," a word the 29-year-old American uses with an intentional corporate connotation.
</IMG> "Armstrong oversaw the team like the CEO of a company. He saw the Tour de France as a business and he was our boss," said Landis, who raced for Armstrong with U.S. Postal between 2002 and 2004.

"In most teams, friendships exist. But in that team [U.S. Postal, now Discovery Channel], with someone who literally puts himself in the role of the boss, you can't go all the way to friendship."

"I'm not convinced that Armstrong has ever had that kind of relationship with a teammate, not even with George Hincapie, who he's known since he was 17 years old," Landis continued.

"Friendship can't exist when you're giving orders and directing the other members of the team. Mind you, it's not necessarily a negative thing. It's thanks to that mentality that Lance has been able to win so many Tours de France."

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Old 20-07.-2005, 06:40 PM   #2
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Old 20-07.-2005, 10:28 PM   #3
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LOL...

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Old 20-07.-2005, 10:36 PM   #4
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Landis is just being honest...and Armstrong is just doing his thing. They don't call him The Boss for nothing. And Armstrong is smart to use the style that he does. It clearly works for him, given the results.
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Old 20-07.-2005, 10:50 PM   #5
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Since someone has already pointed out how WBT's thread title bears no resemblance to his post, I won't bother further with that. What I find interesting is Landis suggesting that Hincapie and Armstrong are not close friends. I dunno, they looked pretty chummy with each other after George won his stage the other day. Seemed to me Lance couldn't wait to get to the trailer to congratulate his "employee".

(As an aside, in any corporate sense, when you work with friends and someone is in a subordinate position, it's a good idea to separate the work environment from the off-duty environment. Otherwise, you leave yourself open to charges of favoritism/nepotism.)
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Old 20-07.-2005, 11:03 PM   #6
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from the EuroSport coverage....

The motorbike camera men try to spice things up by approaching Lance Armstrong for a quick chat, but the American just smiles and laughs, before shouting ahead: "Poppy (Popovych), speak to the camera... Or George (Hincapie)... go talk to George!" So the French camera man obliges, accelerating forward a little to rest on George Hincapie who smiles and says "No! I'm working, I can't speak... Just say hi to my wife and baby... I love you guys." They know to have fun, those Discovery riders!

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Since someone has already pointed out how WBT's thread title bears no resemblance to his post, I won't bother further with that. What I find interesting is Landis suggesting that Hincapie and Armstrong are not close friends. I dunno, they looked pretty chummy with each other after George won his stage the other day. Seemed to me Lance couldn't wait to get to the trailer to congratulate his "employee".

(As an aside, in any corporate sense, when you work with friends and someone is in a subordinate position, it's a good idea to separate the work environment from the off-duty environment. Otherwise, you leave yourself open to charges of favoritism/nepotism.)
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Floyd Landis: Some less than complimentary comments in this morning's L'Equipe about his former team leader's qualities as a team captain did not go down well with said captain. Landis received some very audible opinions from the yellow jersey as they came down the Marie Blanque.

http://www.eurosport.co.uk/home/pag...sto743598.shtml

"In general, it's very difficult to be friends with your boss," Phonak rider Floyd Landis said in French sports daily L'Equipe, reminiscing on his time spent in Lance Armstrong's "company," a word the 29-year-old American uses with an intentional corporate connotation.
</IMG> "Armstrong oversaw the team like the CEO of a company. He saw the Tour de France as a business and he was our boss," said Landis, who raced for Armstrong with U.S. Postal between 2002 and 2004.

"In most teams, friendships exist. But in that team [U.S. Postal, now Discovery Channel], with someone who literally puts himself in the role of the boss, you can't go all the way to friendship."

"I'm not convinced that Armstrong has ever had that kind of relationship with a teammate, not even with George Hincapie, who he's known since he was 17 years old," Landis continued.

"Friendship can't exist when you're giving orders and directing the other members of the team. Mind you, it's not necessarily a negative thing. It's thanks to that mentality that Lance has been able to win so many Tours de France."



true...but they win.
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They know to have fun, those Discovery riders!

Damn straight -- on the evening of July 24th, when you'll be sobbing into your Ullrich scrapbook for the 7th year in a row.

It's a little sad to see you stoop to this level. Accusing Hincapie of doping on the other thread like a Flyer acolyte, and now hissing because Armstrong and Discovery don't conduct press-conferences during the stages. LOL.
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Old 20-07.-2005, 11:31 PM   #9
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Landis obviously felt like he outgrew his 'executive assistant' position at USPS, which clearly explains his move to Phonak.
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Old 20-07.-2005, 11:35 PM   #10
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Huh ? It was a direct cut and paste from the EuroSport webpage..... what are you talking about ? The point I was making that LA and GH do get on as friends ! Why do you guys so sensitive about this stuff.... I was on your side !


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Damn straight -- on the evening of July 24th, when you'll be sobbing into your Ullrich scrapbook for the 7th year in a row.

It's a little sad to see you stoop to this level. Accusing Hincapie of doping on the other thread like a Flyer acolyte, and now hissing because Armstrong and Discovery don't conduct press-conferences during the stages. LOL.
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Huh ? It was a direct cut and paste from the EuroSport webpage..... what are you talking about ? The point I was making that LA and GH do get on as friends ! Why do you guys so sensitive about this stuff.... I was on your side !

LOL -- in light of the thread title and subject, in addition to the more vicious tone of your posts directed to the Discovery team of late, I respectfully have doubts about your veracity. But carry on . . .
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you are an emotional type aren't you.....? calm down, take a deep breath, its going to be ok.....


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LOL -- in light of the thread title and subject, in addition to the more vicious tone of your posts directed to the Discovery team of late, I respectfully have doubts about your veracity. But carry on . . .
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Floyd Landis: Some less than complimentary comments in this morning's L'Equipe about his former team leader's qualities as a team captain did not go down well with said captain. Landis received some very audible opinions from the yellow jersey as they came down the Marie Blanque.

http://www.eurosport.co.uk/home/pag...sto743598.shtml

"In general, it's very difficult to be friends with your boss," Phonak rider Floyd Landis said in French sports daily L'Equipe, reminiscing on his time spent in Lance Armstrong's "company," a word the 29-year-old American uses with an intentional corporate connotation.
</IMG> "Armstrong oversaw the team like the CEO of a company. He saw the Tour de France as a business and he was our boss," said Landis, who raced for Armstrong with U.S. Postal between 2002 and 2004.

"In most teams, friendships exist. But in that team [U.S. Postal, now Discovery Channel], with someone who literally puts himself in the role of the boss, you can't go all the way to friendship."

"I'm not convinced that Armstrong has ever had that kind of relationship with a teammate, not even with George Hincapie, who he's known since he was 17 years old," Landis continued.

"Friendship can't exist when you're giving orders and directing the other members of the team. Mind you, it's not necessarily a negative thing. It's thanks to that mentality that Lance has been able to win so many Tours de France."

As a an American fan who has followed the TDF for over 30 years, I have to ask ."Who is Landis?"
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Floyd Landis: Some less than complimentary comments in this morning's L'Equipe about his former team leader's qualities as a team captain did not go down well with said captain. Landis received some very audible opinions from the yellow jersey as they came down the Marie Blanque.

http://www.eurosport.co.uk/home/pag...sto743598.shtml

"In general, it's very difficult to be friends with your boss," Phonak rider Floyd Landis said in French sports daily L'Equipe, reminiscing on his time spent in Lance Armstrong's "company," a word the 29-year-old American uses with an intentional corporate connotation.
</IMG> "Armstrong oversaw the team like the CEO of a company. He saw the Tour de France as a business and he was our boss," said Landis, who raced for Armstrong with U.S. Postal between 2002 and 2004.

"In most teams, friendships exist. But in that team [U.S. Postal, now Discovery Channel], with someone who literally puts himself in the role of the boss, you can't go all the way to friendship."

"I'm not convinced that Armstrong has ever had that kind of relationship with a teammate, not even with George Hincapie, who he's known since he was 17 years old," Landis continued.

"Friendship can't exist when you're giving orders and directing the other members of the team. Mind you, it's not necessarily a negative thing. It's thanks to that mentality that Lance has been able to win so many Tours de France."

this is such a humorous exchange....ROLMAO

WBT - did you know that LA is actually a founder/part owner of the company that actually "owns" the Discovery Team?

This is business!

how about going back to the threads and looking at the exchnage the 2 of them had in the Brasstown Bald stage in the Tour of Georgia....this is nothing new from Floyd.

on one hand you have serious business being conducted, on the other hand you may have some sour grapes and hard feelings on Floyds part...that being said, he's now the enemy as far as the TdF is concerned and if I'm an LA teammate or sponsor, I want all the others to feel the same way...
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you are an emotional type aren't you.....? calm down, take a deep breath, its going to be ok.....

Thanks; for a minute there I was on the verge of tears at the thought that Armstrong and Landis were never soulmates. Oh, the humanity! >>sob<<
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