Landis not happy with Lance....

homeycheese

I realize many on this board want to jump on every thin excuse to bash Lance, but why r u guys still debating this topic? am i missing something?
1. The Coyle book is filled with biased opinion not fact.
2. The Landis comments are not a direct criticism of LA
3. The 2 of them are engaged in a heated competition
and lastly, Floyd was hired to support Tyler, not be the team leader. Is it possible that in light of the current situation, Floyd is now setting the stage to "renegotiate" what may not be a great contract and he wants the "tyler dollars?"

limerickman

Actually, you have misquoted the statement made in Daniel Coyles book :
Tour De Four.

You misquoted Landis :

You claim that he stated

""they try to tell me that it's a privilege to ride for 40% less than what other teams are prepared to pay me."

The correct quote is

"they try to tell me that it's a privilege to ride for 40% less than what other teams are prepared to offer"
endquote.

It's on page 279 of the said book.

Which begs a couple of questions : if you are aware of the statement about
USPS being paid 40% less than other riders in other teams, why did you ask for PROOF of this earlier ?

Second : why, if you have access to the book, did you deliberately altered what Landis is quoting as saying ?
There was no statement that included
"..............what other teams are prepared to pay me."

Strange that you would deliberately alter the text of a book.

Wonder what the copyright issue is there ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by rejobako You have Coyle quoting a single rider in his book about a complaint that he alone is being paid less than he could receive from other teams. There is nothing about USPS/DC rider compensation in general, nor anything relevant to general market price of rider salaries.

That is another inaccurate statement.
Coyles book is littered with reference to remuneration/finances.

Page 165/160/85/77/61 contain references to finances/wages/money.
This is not an exhaustive list of pages to where finance/money/wages are
detailed in the book.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rejobako That is a far cry from you attributing a statement to Coyle that USPS/DC [b]riders are paid a "pittance" in comparison to the other team riders. That implies that all of them are underpaid, and we don't even know if this particular rider may have been underpaid. How do you know that the other team wasn't willing to overpay him by 40%.

Why would Landis lie ?
40% is 40% below the going rate.
Would you work for 40% less than your peer whp's doing the same job as
you ?

rejobako

LOL! This is more amusing than I could have hoped for. Read your post #41 on this thread. I cut and pasted your direct quote from the book. The misquote is your doing, so you might want to dispense with the melodramatics about copyright violations, unless you're prepared to turn yourself in.

Sinner.

Scotty_Dog

Outstanding find rejobako!

Lim, two days in a row that you are falsely claiming copyright issues with certain posters' comments. What gives?

whiteboytrash

The reason it was removed was because cyclingnews.com did the translation as it stated at the start of the article...... when it appeared on the procycling.com it had a completely different interpretation.... that is the one I cut and paste for the beginning of this thread...... we should always remember that with European languages things cant always be directly translated into English.... I speak German and there is more than often not a direct translation for English.... sometimes Germans will sub a German word as there is no direct translation.... there is also context which play a massive part in languages.... the same goes for English which is a very very hard language to learn and most of all understand context for Europeans.... but yes LM I think LA’s team got to it and had it removed….. they love doing this… I’m surprised the LA legal team has not shut flyer down.. ;-)

limerickman

I only saw the cyclingnews.com report of the article yesterday, concerning
Floyd Landis words about life at USPS/DC and LA.

Yep, translation might be the issue but the substantial issue as to why Landis left USPS/DC remains.

musette

Here is Landis' clarification that he didn't mean what he said to L'Equipe as a criticism of LA. If he didn't mean to say that, he was sort of naive in thinking that it couldn't be taken negatively, especially by somebody such as LA. You would think Landis would know after all those year working for LA.

"As for his supposed conflict with Lance Armstrong, Floyd wanted to clarify things: "I think my comments from L'Equipe [about Armstrong being more about business than friendship] were taken out of context or misunderstood...first of all, I just want to thank Lance and Johan and the team for everything they did for me. That's it." Landis didn't take offense at Armstrong's comments that even though he would not be racing any more, his Discovery Channel team would still ride against Floyd...."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/200...jul05/jul26news

Perhaps Landis is realizing it's not such a great thing to have DC always racing against him, even without LA to ride for DC.

meehs

It's amazing how the LA haters latch onto anything that could possibly be interpreted as even the slightest criticism of LA and attempt to turn into "Do you see? Everyone thinks Armstong is a horrible person!". Do you really think that Hinault wasn't "the boss" of his team? Gimme a break!

It's just ridiculous! If the perpetrators could go back and read their posts with objectivity (real objectivity) I really think they'd be embarrassed by the realization.

I'm just glad that LA is retired now so we don't have to continue to listen to these people crying and bashing the guy.

thebluetrain

I have a feeling this is going to continue for a while. Retired or not the haters are not going to stop hating, critisizing every little thing he does, and flat out just being jealous because he dominated the Worlds biggest cycling event for 7 years and their man or team did not.

Crankster

bluetrain - word.

slickdemo

Isn't anybody curious about these mysterious comments that I haven't been able to find anywhere: "Landis didn't take offense at Armstrong's comments that even though he would not be racing any more, his Discovery Channel team would still ride against Floyd"

Did Lance actually say that, or is this simply more speculation?

hombredesubaru

Landis came out with some brash statements in L'Equipe during the Tour about how Lance is more about business than friends. Now Landis is eating his words and saying his words were taken out of context. Why???

He has tried to say a few brief nice things about Postal and Lance after the Tour but the word is that Discovery will ride against Landis whether Lance is still active or not.

OOOPS!!

whiteboytrash

You are right; Discovery Channel announced this morning that they will not be aiming for any ProTour points in 2006 and that there sole aim is ride against Landis for the entire season......

In this months ProCycling magazine there is an interview with Landis where he says that he thought he was being groomed to lead the team after Lance retired thus he was completely happy working for Lance in 2005….. but then they bought Popo and told him that they wanted him to be the future leader he felt all his hard work had gone to waste........ Lance has always spoken out about other riders why cant Landis ?

slickdemo

"the word is that Discovery will ride against Landis whether Lance is still active or not."

Once again, where is this coming from? I haven't seen anything in print and I certainly didn't hear it on OLN.