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Stage 20 TDF : Saint-Etienne ITT : Spoiler

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Old 23-07.-2005, 12:36 AM   #16
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^^ LMAO

If it does play out like that I think I'll have to buy the DVD and do the Snoopy dance of joy.
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Old 23-07.-2005, 01:16 AM   #17
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The big race will be between Ullrich and Rasmussen tomorrow. Ullrich will try to bridge the 2:12 gap separating himself and Rasmussen in order to place on the podium in Paris. I'd be very surprised if Jan fails to bridge this gap. It will be Armstrong, Basso and Ullrich in Paris.
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Old 23-07.-2005, 02:06 AM   #18
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I like how you guys make these statements as if you have spoken to Lance himself and he told you that he really wanted to win the stage.... how do you know this ? What quote can you provide as a reference ? Maybe he is happy to do well and keep the yellow jersey but not actually win the stage ? Stick to the facts !

Chris Carmichael (Lance's coach) writes a column throughout the Tour for www.thepaceline.com and has repeatedly mentioned the final ITT. Prior to the start of the Tour he stated that Lance wanted to win the final time trial of his career and finish with a bang.

Carmichael has since made remarks about Lance's focus on the upcoming ITT and his on-going recovery and preparation for that specific stage. I would expect Chris to know Lance's goals and would fully expect to see Lance Armstrong give the performance of his life on Saturday.

In fact I will say this much....I think Armstrong will put a big chunk of time into the field on Saturday. I would expect him to ride the FASTEST time trial of his life. In my opinion he will leave everything on the course and demolish the spirits of his competitors, leaving no doubt that he is the greatest Tour de France rider of all time.
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Old 23-07.-2005, 02:08 AM   #19
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The big race will be between Ullrich and Rasmussen tomorrow. Ullrich will try to bridge the 2:12 gap separating himself and Rasmussen in order to place on the podium in Paris. I'd be very surprised if Jan fails to bridge this gap. It will be Armstrong, Basso and Ullrich in Paris.

I think it will be very close. Jan will be supremely motivated to ride hard, but Rasmussen will start after Jan and will hear the splits the entire time. I would not be surprised to see Rasmussen on the podium in Paris.
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Old 23-07.-2005, 02:11 AM   #20
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In the TT we will see an Armstrong motivated like never before. It is his last ride and his children will be there. If the course is safe and dry I will go out on a limb here and predict a 2 minute win over Ullrich. Yesterday's stage showed Ullrich really hurting with his yo-yoing off the back. It was great seeing him get back to the bunch everytime. And I am not sure that LA has been tested this TDF and has gone into the red zone.....
It's my understanding that the course is slightly uphill. If that is the case, LA's cadence of higher RPM's will be an advantage. It would be great to see Ullrich post a great ride to silence his critics.
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Old 23-07.-2005, 02:29 AM   #21
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In fact I will say this much....I think Armstrong will put a big chunk of time into the field on Saturday. I would expect him to ride the FASTEST time trial of his life. In my opinion he will leave everything on the course and demolish the spirits of his competitors, leaving no doubt that he is the greatest Tour de France rider of all time.

I would disagree, only because I don't think Armstrong is capable of "demolishing" a guy like Ullrich on this particular time trial. I think Jan is on-form and ready, and I suspect the gap will be close between them.

Second, as I said, even though I agree that Lance would probably love to win the stage as a matter of pride, I don't think he's going to take any unnecessary risks. To "leave everything on the course", he'd have to keep up as much speed on the corners as possible, taking them wide and brushing the barriers, etc. I just don't think he's going to risk a crash/injury when he has the GC all but giftwrapped for him.

From the other perspective, there are some good time trialers, like Jan, who is already going to be motivated to go extra fast to make up time on Rasmussen, who would love nothing more than to win the stage and, in so doing, gain just a little bit of bragging rights vis a vis Armstrong.

All that being said, if Armstrong is as fit as I think he is, he may win it anyway. But given that Jan has so much more to prove to himself and to everyone else, and given that he seems to be in great form this last week, I think tomorrow may just be Ullrich's day.
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Old 23-07.-2005, 02:39 AM   #22
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I want Lance to win tomorrow and I expect him to win tomorrow.

Heīs going to retire, and while being with the yellow jersey at the Champs Elysees could be enought for his, heīd love to end his career with a stage win.

I donīt think that long climb in the middle of the stage helps Ullrich, in the end I think that might give some podium hopes for Rasmussen

The only guy that could beat him in my opinion would be David Millar, but we all know what he did and what happened after that.
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Old 23-07.-2005, 02:46 AM   #23
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I would disagree, only because I don't think Armstrong is capable of "demolishing" a guy like Ullrich on this particular time trial. I think Jan is on-form and ready, and I suspect the gap will be close between them.

Second, as I said, even though I agree that Lance would probably love to win the stage as a matter of pride, I don't think he's going to take any unnecessary risks. To "leave everything on the course", he'd have to keep up as much speed on the corners as possible, taking them wide and brushing the barriers, etc. I just don't think he's going to risk a crash/injury when he has the GC all but giftwrapped for him.

From the other perspective, there are some good time trialers, like Jan, who is already going to be motivated to go extra fast to make up time on Rasmussen, who would love nothing more than to win the stage and, in so doing, gain just a little bit of bragging rights vis a vis Armstrong.

All that being said, if Armstrong is as fit as I think he is, he may win it anyway. But given that Jan has so much more to prove to himself and to everyone else, and given that he seems to be in great form this last week, I think tomorrow may just be Ullrich's day.

I don't think it the course has many unnecessary risk sections to it. Being that it is covers hills and a Cat 3 climb most of the tight turns are on the uphill. The only flat portion of the stage is the final few kilometers and looking at the route map there are no serious turns in the road coming off the Cat 3 climb.

I expect Lance knows the course very well and will know where to push it and where to ease off. Leaving everything on the course doesn't mean being in the red zone the entire 55K, it means not having anything left at the finish.

Check out the course route and the stage profile. It sets up nicely for Lance to really hammer it coming out of the hills.
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Old 23-07.-2005, 02:56 AM   #24
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II donīt think that long climb in the middle of the stage helps Ullrich

Here, again, I mildly disagree. I think because Ullrich hasn't been able to match the sudden accelerations by Armstrong/Basso in the mountains, some people conclude he's an inferior climber. I would suggest that the fact that this is a time-trial, not a regular stage, actually benefits him. Ullrich is a relentless, steady climber, and the rigors of a solo time trial are perfectly suited to his style. Don't get me wrong -- Lance is a superlative climber and, head to head, Ullrich just can't stay with him. But when they're both alone and working against the clock, Ullrich isn't too far behind. Add to that what I believe to be Ullrich's top form at present, and I think he can make it interesting tomorrow.

(I note that last year, both in the penultimate-day flat time trial and on the ascent to Alpe-D'Huez, Ullrich lost 1:01 to finish second each time. In my opinion, considering all the contingencies and circumstances, I think he has it in him to ride very well tomorrow, and make Lance's finishing sprint awfully exciting. We shall see.)
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I don't think it the course has many unnecessary risk sections to it. Being that it is covers hills and a Cat 3 climb most of the tight turns are on the uphill. The only flat portion of the stage is the final few kilometers and looking at the route map there are no serious turns in the road coming off the Cat 3 climb.

I expect Lance knows the course very well and will know where to push it and where to ease off. Leaving everything on the course doesn't mean being in the red zone the entire 55K, it means not having anything left at the finish.

Check out the course route and the stage profile. It sets up nicely for Lance to really hammer it coming out of the hills.

Points well taken, and you may end up being right.
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Old 23-07.-2005, 03:30 AM   #26
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Lance will win and win big.

I think in fact he has been saving it all through the mountains for this final TT, that and the fact that as C Carmichael had said that it would take a monumental effort (think Luz Ardiden) to drop Basso in the mountains. So why waste the energy? Save it all for this last one.

His kids are there. He has not won a race all year. At the start of the Tour he said he was flying and in the best form of his life-and proved it in the prologue. Carmichael said on TV this am that Lance was flying.

I would expect Lance wants to win and set the record for the fastest long ITT in the Tour. He has won every long last ITT except 2003 when he sat uo because of the wet and Ullrich's crash.

He will demolish the field including Ullrich.
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Old 23-07.-2005, 04:17 AM   #27
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From Velonews, reporting on stage 19:



"I realize these are my last days. There will be one hour (of racing) tomorrow and maybe four on Sunday. I am not sad yet though," said Armstrong after the stage in Le Puy.

"It is difficult to really enjoy yourself because it is the Tour de France. No one is throwing me a retirement party just yet. Tomorrow I will give it everything I have. It will be a special day."

We will see what "everything I have" means...
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Old 23-07.-2005, 07:54 AM   #28
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"I realize these are my last days. There will be one hour (of racing) tomorrow and maybe four on Sunday. I am not sad yet though," said Armstrong after the stage in Le Puy.

"It is difficult to really enjoy yourself because it is the Tour de France. No one is throwing me a retirement party just yet. Tomorrow I will give it everything I have. It will be a special day."

We will see what "everything I have" means...

Looks like he's given us some indication that he's going to be travelling at 55km or faster, now everyone can just ride that bit faster and maybe he will lose?
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Old 23-07.-2005, 01:00 PM   #29
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JU is definitely ready to go. This is from his Tour de France Diary:


Tomorrow's showdown in St. Etienne boils down to two things: podium or nothing! The time trial should suit me. It is tough, but it also includes straight stretches where I can really drive it hard. When faced with Rasmussen, who has never really shined in time trials, that is certainly an advantage to me.

So the chance of a podium place is still very much on the cards! But I also want to give it my all in the pursuit of the stage win


Lifted from: http://www.t-mobile-team.com/cms/tm...6/id=61018.html
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Old 23-07.-2005, 01:08 PM   #30
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I think its a pretty safe bet to say Amrstrong will win. What interests me most about tomorrow, is not who will win, mostly because I thouroughly beleive it will be Armstrong, but how many riders will he catch? Yes Ullrich will probably want to ride his ass off to secure a podium, but Armstrong erased the minute lead Ullrich had on him for the first stage in only 15kms! Tomorrow as you all know is 55kms and I think we will see Lance catch Basso, Rasmussen for sure and maybe I am completely retarded here, but am I the only one that beleives Lance may get Ullrich in his sights?
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