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23-07.-2005, 08:08 AM

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Re: Lance Pissed at Evans???

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Originally Posted by vadimivich

But cycling isn't so much about the attacks as it is the traditions. The flavor of the sport that makes it great is the small touches like that.

Armstrong tells many stories of being a young brash American who stepped on everyone's toes his first time in Europe. He didn't know any of the traditions, didn't know how to show respect. It says a lot that many of the former greats were people he befriended or at least had respectful relationships with (Merckx, Indurain, etc) as he grew up and matured.

Evans had a slight error in judgement yesterday, he gained nothing from what he did, but the peloton probably doesn't think highly of it.

The peloton probably knows nothing of it (the incident).

23-07.-2005, 08:13 AM

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Re: Lance Pissed at Evans???

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Originally Posted by wolfix

That's really reaching to be anti-Discovery. Everyone knows that every Discovery fan has PHOTOSHOP and can blank Cadel out in all the photos they want......

Let's see...... Armstrong is now vain......
Armstrong is a doper......
Armstrong is a bully.....
Armstrong is a low paying employer....
Armstrong only wins because he races one race.....
I read today somewhere in a German magazine where Merckx undersatnds why LA is retiring after all the garbage LA has to endure.
Next year, the anti-Armstrong people get to see someone else win the TDF . But that winner will also have critics and an * next to his name. They will say he only won "BECAUSE ARMSTRONG RETIRED !"

It was a question wolfix, a question. Did I touch a nerve?

23-07.-2005, 08:47 AM	#63
mocka58 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 90	Re: Lance Pissed at Evans??? Wow! I went to bed and when I get up the thread has turned into a battleground! It appears Evans was asked by the media what Lance said and he told them. He didn't make a big deal out of it. Others did that. He didn't even mention it on his website diary. I'm not anti-Lance, in fact I'm far from it. I really admire him for what he has achieved and I don't think he is as bad a guy as what a lot of people make him out to be. I think there is a danger in giving him too much respect. It is a bike race and the riders in it don't have to do what Lance Armstrong tells them. In any case he will be gone in two days so it doesn't matter what he thinks. Cadel Evans merely made an instinctive move to sprint for the line. He hadn't sat on for 200km. It wasn't for the stage win. He was racing. The incident has been blown out of proportion.

23-07.-2005, 09:12 AM

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Re: Lance Pissed at Evans???

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Originally Posted by wolfix

Wheel sucking on this side of the pond is also not respected .
Except when a rider has his team mate. in the following peloton and it is to the disadvantage of the team mate to pull through.

A sprinter can suck a climbers wheel on the climbs but not on the flats, except in the last meters setting up a sprint.

And this can be reversed . A climber can such wheels of a sprinter in the last meters leading up to the final sprint.
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But the traditions of the TDF are what makes it beautiful and not just another race. The traditions are remembered much longer then the riders themselves. This is a race that is over 100 years old , so history is a major part of the allure.
What Cadel did was probably a case of over excitement. Armstrong said what must have been said and left it at that. I doubt if Armstrong is pissed or has gave it any more thought then what was said at that moment. This is a situation where the media and "us guys" on this forum are making it an issue.
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The Grand Canyon in woolen jerseys??? That would be good. But I would want to ride and to be honest, I don't think there are any pubs in the bottom of the canyon. Tonight I will dig through my jersey collection and see what I can come up with. I have a beautiful Peugeot jersey but it hasn't fit me since my competitive days .....I don't have a Skil or a Kas.... I got it ...... I'll let you ride in one of my many Creda Raleigh ones ....

Tradition's run in all grand tours.
But I take your point.

Raleigh Creda jersey is fine : Raleigh anything would suffice !

23-07.-2005, 09:14 AM

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Re: Lance Pissed at Evans???

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Originally Posted by Michaelz

As has been pointed out we don't actually know if Lance was pissed or not. It might have been a simple "didn't you realize there were no time gaps and you wasted energy for no reason?" -- not as much a complaint as an education.

I haven't seen anyone mention the context prior to the last 100m. Armstrong put in a long pull for the last several hundred meters for no gain. Basso and Ullrich are with him, and he can't possibly be worried about Rasmussen taking time out from him on a TT and taking the yellow jersey. What he was doing was helping two of his mountain companions, Basso and Ullrich, put time into Rasmussen. In essence he was saying "I can ride in a straight line at the front faster than you can right now, so tuck in behind me and you'll get the most that we can on the rest."

From Evan's perspective the explanation could be as simple as he thought they were racing for 10th and a time bonus that he wanted, but again he gave no indication he was going to contest the sprint.

Michael

Well said.

Any thoughts about Hincapie's tactics with Oscar Pereiro last Sunday ?

23-07.-2005, 09:20 AM

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Re: Lance Pissed at Evans???

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Originally Posted by wolfix

They will say he only won "BECAUSE ARMSTRONG RETIRED !"

That's what the LA cheerleaders will say, Wolf.

LA is leaving the sport - sorry I'll rephrase that he's leaving the TDF - with that question hanging for next year.
Would "___________" have beaten LA in 2006 ?

23-07.-2005, 09:43 AM	#67
Dead Star Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Wales Posts: 794	Re: Lance Pissed at Evans??? [QUOTE=limerickman] LA is leaving the sport - sorry I'll rephrase that he's leaving the TDF QUOTE] so so true. everything else was merely a warm-up for his big event, which doesn't do any justice to those events at all.

23-07.-2005, 09:47 AM

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Re: Lance Pissed at Evans???

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LA is leaving the sport - sorry I'll rephrase that he's leaving the TDF QUOTE]

so so true. everything else was merely a warm-up for his big event, which doesn't do any justice to those events at all.

.......don't ya know that cycling finishes after Sunday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

23-07.-2005, 09:50 AM

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Re: Lance Pissed at Evans???

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.......don't ya know that cycling finishes after Sunday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

, cycling's over for good.

What's the Giro? Someone said Paris-roubaix's a good race, but lance never took part in that, so it can't be(!)

23-07.-2005, 10:02 AM	#70
limerickman Community Team Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: at the bar Posts: 12,644	Re: Lance Pissed at Evans??? Yep, no more cycling after Sunday. P-R, Giro, Vuelta : all gone, finished. No point in it going on, LA's retiring and that means the sport is over, finito. I'm putting me bike up for sale on ebay. Oprah will be doin' specials on "HOW CAN I COPE - NOW THAT CYCLING IS OVER, Y'ALL !" (don't worry, she'll give you and yer bike a makeover and that'll make 'verything all right and dandy !)

23-07.-2005, 10:04 AM	#71
Dead Star Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Wales Posts: 794	Re: Lance Pissed at Evans??? boohoooo, cycling's not ever going to be the same again sniff. what on earth's Musette going to do? HAHAHAHAH

23-07.-2005, 10:16 AM

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Re: Lance Pissed at Evans???

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boohoooo, cycling's not ever going to be the same again *sniff*.

what on earth's Musette going to do? HAHAHAHAH

oh don't worry, I'm sure she's busy burrowing away trying to spot some new talent, somewhere.

23-07.-2005, 10:21 AM	#73
Dead Star Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Wales Posts: 794	Re: Lance Pissed at Evans??? she's thinking of new cheerleading routines for Hincapie/Danielson, and more rhymes/limericks to slag off T-mobile

23-07.-2005, 12:03 PM

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Re: Lance Pissed at Evans???

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Originally Posted by limerickman

He moved from 9th on GC to 7th on GC, so he gained time on Landis and Vino.

He didn't gain anytime by doing it though? They finished together. Yes he gained time, but not because of the sprint.

Someone did the same thing the Merckx the other day as well and he too looked pissed. It's called bike racing right? These guys need to let it go Including Lance. I know they are supposed to 'respect' the race, but please. Just pedal and see who wins.

23-07.-2005, 01:01 PM

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Re: Lance Pissed at Evans???

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Originally Posted by azdroptop

yesh Vasseur sprinted past Merckx for second on the same stage as mr Axel was slightly annoyed that he did nothing to try and get back to Serrano.

and you're right. Evans sprinted because that's obviously a lot faster than just coasting in like Armstrong and his subjects did.

Do you see Pereiro moaning about the nice lead-out Evans gave him the stage before Musette? oh no, that's against the traditions of the tour(!) he has to slow down and make a proper sprint out of it, not make it appear as though he's helping his fellow breakaway riders(!)

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