Armstrong produced 30 more watts in 2005 than 1999

Originally Posted by House

Two comments:

1) They don't just use "water, good food and hard work." We are years ahead in clean sports nutrition and they use many things like powerbars, Extran, and on and on...all clean.

2) Something we have been demanding of Flyer, but all he does is google an article and keep reposting it, never actually responding: Give us proof that he is dirty.

Originally Posted by tomUK

1. You make me sound like an amateur! FYI, I'm 65kg, 4% bodyfat, VO2max 83 and produce about 190W at 60% HR. I know what good nutrition is, believe you me.

Originally Posted by kennf

Which pro team do you ride for?

Originally Posted by tomUK

1. You make me sound like an amateur! FYI, I'm 65kg, 4% bodyfat, VO2max 83 and produce about 190W at 60% HR. I know what good nutrition is, believe you me.

Originally Posted by House

And yet you were the one who said "Water, good food and hard work" completely ignoring the advances in clean sports nutrition. Either you forgot about that or were leaving certain things out that went against the point you were trying to make. Either way I would say that is very amateurish.


Do you mean the corticoid creme that tested for below the illegal amount? Now you are getting into Flyer territory, picking and chosing what to believe...as long as it exactly says what you WANT it to say. Read your own quote.

Originally Posted by tomUK

Ok, if testing is all it's cracked up to be then how did David Millar manage to get through the 2003 pre-meds without getting caught? After all last year he was busted for EPO usage and freely admited that he used it 'apparently' only twice - one of those times being a few days before the 2003 opening stage.

Originally Posted by House

<snip>..... Do you mean the corticoid creme that tested for below the illegal amount? Now you are getting into Flyer territory, picking and chosing what to believe...as long as it exactly says what you WANT it to say. Read your own quote.

Originally Posted by House

I couldn't tell you how Millar did it and thus I won't pretend to know something I don't know...unlike people like you who are willing to talk about things they know nothing about as if they are experts. If you really did know something you would provide the concrete proof...but you never do. Very amateurish

Originally Posted by Flyer

No, you cannot. Esepicially, the ones with MD licenses and prescription pads. Cat 3 times, try Cat 1/2 lap times. The 3s are very slow in the corners.

Nor can you confirm potential steroid use in earlier life (college) which may have contributed to a muscular base which they now maintain w/o drugs.

Masters format is far less rigorous (even with multiple races per day) than is TDF cycling--thus the need for accelerated recovery is much less as well.

Originally Posted by tomUK

David Millar never failed a drugs test. He used EPO. That is 'Concrete proof' that drug tests prove nothing.

Originally Posted by VeloFlash

House, can you indicate to us on the UCI banned list where the cortisone ointment used by LA in 1999 had a threshold value between sanctionable and non-sanctionable?

There are only a very few on the list with a threshold. All the others - if detected, you fail the test.

Hence, the backdated prescription which, according to the non illegal myth, should have not been needed.

However, the "cover-up" of a backdated prescription should not have succeeded as it required a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) certificate to make the detection non sanctionable.

UCI turned a blind eye because of the 1998 Festina affair and the failed drug test would have DQ'd the yellow jersey.