Armstrong produced 30 more watts in 2005 than 1999

jimmer23

So back to the point - why do YOU care? Are you a pro cyclist? Definitely not. What is sport? It's ENTERTAINMENT. That's all it is. Sure we are all amazed with what athletes can do, but why care how they get there through any number of methods none of us mere amateurs would take? What is YOUR point Flyer? So they all dope, is that your point? Big deal. Live with it, you'll save yourself a lot of stressing out over what is really NOTHING in the grand scheme of things.

MJtje

I have the same view as you: WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!!! AND GET SOME PERSPECTIVE; IT'S NOT LIKE WERE GETTING A 3TH WORLD WAR!!!

Doesn't mean I don't read it and don't agreed with what some posters say, still I don't agree with the figure of Flyer that 100% is doped!!!! Even decanio has stated there are clean pro's.....pate, creed etc......

ps: why is everybody responding to house......he's acting childish as always and never answers directly himself! Tha gunners will eat man u alive!

VeloFlash

You should agree with Flyer.

Being a former Olympic medallist and European pro he has the authority from experience. What other poster has any credentials resembling Flyer?

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3_days

I have something I wanted to add to this thread ...


But ...


every time I see the hot girl in VeloFlash's signature - I get distracted and forget what I was tryin' to type ...

stormer94

A few of you feel the power these guys put is OUTRAGEOUS!?! They must be doping.

Well, I've looked at Flloyd Landis power numbers FROM THIS TOUR, and frankly, I almost think I could do it... I'm a miserable Cat-5 racer. What I DON'T have is endurance, and the ability sit in the saddle for 4-6 hours day after day.

If these guys are doping, and according to flyer, the whole tour is a rolling drug show, then they must be miserable cyclists before they started...

Read the power numbers, and tell me any of us aren't thinking, Heck, that seems reasonable, put me in the tour. 9th in the GC after stage 17 and he averaged a whopping 198 watts All the numbers for the stage are here, times, elevations, conditions. Not much to cheat with.

And to put some training into perspective, Floyd says he climbs about 150,000 vertical feet per month. (for perspective, that's about 30 miles STRAIGHT UP)

Here's the link to the info.
http://www.bicycling.com/tourdefran...-expert,00.html

Stage 17:
Route: Pau to Revel
Type: Flat with some rollers
Distance: 239.5 km or 148.5 miles
Elevation Change: -2 meters or -7 feet loss (Average pt to pt grade = -0.001%)
Total Feet Climbed: 1,042 meters or 3,419 feet
Average Elevation: 289 ? 61 meters of 948 ? 201 feet above sea level
Minimum Elevation: 185 meters or 607 feet
Maximum Elevation: 407 meters or 1,335 feet
Weather: 84°F and 48% Humidity

Climbs:

1. Cote de Baleix (Cat 3): 1.6 km at 7.1% beginning at 19.9 km point.
2. Cote de Betbeze (Cat 4): 2.2 km at 6.4% beginning at 86.3 km point.
3. Col d'Aubisque (Cat 4): 1.8 km at 4.9% beginning at 157.7 km point.
4. Cote de Pardies-Pietat (Cat 3): 2.7 km at 5.1% beginning at 229.7 km point.

Floyd At a Glance:

Stage Placing: 33rd
GC Placing: 9th
Time: 06:16:12 (22 min & 48 seconds down on winner Paolo Savoldelli)
Average Speed: 39.5 km/hr or 24.5 mph
Average Power: 198 Watts
Total Work: 4,326 Kjoules
Stress to Strain Index: 1.26

"...Rolling drug show..."

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"Was" 39 year old guy Blood pressure: 143/84, Resting Pulse: 68, weight: 230
"summer 2004" 40 year old guy. Blood pressure: 121/66, Resting pulse: 45, weight: 175
1-1-2005 Blood pressure: 115/55, Resting pulse: 44, weight: 170
6-1-2005 Blood pressure: 105/52, resting pulse: 40, weight: 175
40k-TT, 1:05

VeloFlash

The applicable word is average.

Does not take into account the savings of power output on the flats whilst drafting in the peloton - as much as 70% if you are totally surrounded by riders. Or the slight to steep downhills. There are flats to the mountains, between mountains and, usually, to the finish. And also remember - what goes up must come down.

It would appear to me you have never used a power meter on the road.

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stormer94

Just got a powertap and am fooling with it, and have done watt testing with a coach. The point I was trying to make, regardless of how a person decides to use the word average, is that it's not OUTRAGEOUS!!! Do you feel that you could effectively hold 198 watts (regardless of the peaks and surges) for 4 hours? I'm guessing the answer is yes. That's all I was trying to point out.

Flyer claims all TDF riders are dirty bums... Having NO proof personally, it seems logical that some are, and some indeed do get caught. Unlike Flyer, I feel it can be done clean (whithin the rules of what is allowed), and it's an insult to all riders for one person to make a blanket claim on the whole field, or Pro's in general. I think the average man cannot even begin to comprehend the willpower and balls these guys have and the agaony and pain they train through and what they train for.

And actually, it does take into account the savings of being in the peloton by creating a higher average speed, faster time over distance with less wattage required. Watts is watts. By being aero, or in a group, it just took less of them to go faster. Still had to put them out.

I am in NO WAY trying to belittle the incredible task of being in, training for, and surving the Tour by pointing out Floyds watts. I was just pointing out the watts, and it's seems reasonable.

Appreciate your thoughts and taking the time to respond.
-B

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"Was" 39 year old guy Blood pressure: 143/84, Resting Pulse: 68, weight: 230
"summer 2004" 40 year old guy. Blood pressure: 121/66, Resting pulse: 45, weight: 175
1-1-2005 Blood pressure: 115/55, Resting pulse: 44, weight: 170
6-1-2005 Blood pressure: 105/52, resting pulse: 40, weight: 175
40k-TT, 1:05

VeloFlash

With due respect, my experiences in racing and training with a SRM power meter (crank strain gauges) is that "average" is meaningless.

Download and plot your power (after racing) for hill climbs, breakaways and sprint finishes. All the other data is filler leading to the meaningless average.

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"Remember, even if you win the rat race, you are still a rat"

stormer94

I'd like to do the SRM thing, those look slick (I'm quite jealous ). What do you feel makes it meaningless? You don't feel that the number has use after something like a 40k TT?

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"Was" 39 year old guy Blood pressure: 143/84, Resting Pulse: 68, weight: 230
"summer 2004" 40 year old guy. Blood pressure: 121/66, Resting pulse: 45, weight: 175
1-1-2005 Blood pressure: 115/55, Resting pulse: 44, weight: 170
6-1-2005 Blood pressure: 105/52, resting pulse: 40, weight: 175
40k-TT, 1:05