My experince with drugs and blood doping

Roadrash Dunc

The thread is an interesting discussion about EPO and for ti-man we have him to thank.But ive no time for internet liars so i'll call a spade a spade.
He knows how he can make me eat humble pie.Give his name.Otherwise , start a debate on epo properly - without all the bluster and bs , otherwise expect to get called on it.It is the net afteall , and im free to read and comment on what i like (but which doesnt include slander and telling porky pies)

TiMan

We used the first gen SRM power meter.


I guess I am done with this thread...too many insults, defensive people and closed minds. Thanx goes out to all that were civil to me and discussed things like adults....
there are a lot of kids on this forum I think.

All I can say in closing is that I have told you all the truth.....
Yes I did attain to continental pro level sustainable power output, with the use of drugs, but it means nothing really.

I cannot tell you who I am because then people could find me and hassle me and my young family. I don't want to hurt my former teams or anyone that I used to race with either.

BYE

TiMan

Roadrash Dunc

Disappearing to yahoo messenger to pretend youre a 21 year old Nympho who likes older men now? Bye.

ives

Agreed.
If you can't at least be civil, Roadrash Dunc, then please I request that you leave out the personal insults and swearing. Being brash and rude does not make you right, so please, refrain from it.
thank you.


So, it seems.

Anyway, thanks for you testimony, TIMan. Most interesting and informative.

Roadie_scum

Thanks mate. Appreciate your candour.

Roadrash Dunc

Its not a question of right and wrong.
If it means anything Ti-Man i genuinely apologise for getting personal there (having a bad day fixing a bike ) but part of your initial post was rather moronic thats all , although its no reason to call you one.

I still dont believe your personal claims and think youre using that invented persona to gain some form of credibility to the dope debate.Which is highly ironic.

You declined to proffer a name even though you say youre retired (although i can understand that) but you dont even say which team(s) you were on or which races you won.
You cannot expect credibility in such a situation.I could quite easily start a new a/c and pretend to be a pro who doped but say i didnt think *everyone* was doing it , or this that and the other.You can see that.


Its a sad day indeed when people are prepared to take the word of a self confesed cheat , an anonymous self confessed cheat , on an internet MB over the word(s) of face-value hardworking pros.
That i cannot understand , perhaps someone can enlighten me and tell me why i should believe a single word in this situation.

Its a good read , but youre all bonkers

G'night.

Nishiki09

I totaly disagree with what you say about Lance Armstrong. If he ever had anything slightly close in comparison to a drug in his body we would know within 24 hours of when he did it. He is the most drug tested athlete in the world. If he was blood doping,taking testosterone, or even drinking a Sobe Power hed be getting critisized for it right now by people who dislike him (ahem). Im not saying Lance Armstrong is some hero but I know he doesnt artificially enhance himself.

Roadie_scum

I have no idea whether armstrong uses drugs or not, but if he did (protectors of LA's virtue - note use of conditional) it is unlikely he would get caught. There are numerous drugs and illegal methods that are undetectable with today's testing methods. The two things to which you refer, blood doping and taking testosterone (when monitored to avoid going over the threshold testosterone-epitestosterone level) are, ironically, both undetectable. I know this and I am an amateur cyclist who has never used a performance enhancing drug and hve no specific expertise or training in sports science or medicine. I'm pretty sure any pro who is going to take drugs would have access to better info again.

Nishiki09

You have a point but there are labs thats are studying ways of testing all the new drugs found. Lance Armstrong was a successful Triathelete at the age of 14, hugely successful. There was never a humongous jump in his athleticism that I know of and unless he started at 14 i dont think hes doing any enhancing drugs. He has too much to lose if they find ways of tracking the newer drugs. And if he has any ability for kindness in him which i believe he does he wouldnt do something like that to the millions of fans and cancer patients who are crazy about him. Imagine being in his shoes even in your worst mood could you honestly do that to people.

MJtje

Hehe you want to go after Flyer...........!

House

I am going to say that TI wants attention, pure and simple. Why else would he feel the need to post this in two forums (now moved to just one)? He makes claims that his story is some sort of proof that all pros and Cat 1's dope yet if you read he has not shown anything other then "because I said so." This logic has continued through every one of his responses. Read his comments about Lances' abilities before he had cancer and you will realise that Ti doesn't know as much as he claims. I'm with Dunc on this one, he's either a bitter man because he failed or just wants attention.Notice how he got called out and tried to ignore all the tough questions in the other thread, so he decided to get on a different one. Why? More of what we have seen from some people on here who have been banned, but at least it's with some civility.

Ashley3

Allow me to differ with you a bit. My take on this thread is that TI has shared his personal experience with and perspective on doping. I've found it both interesting and enlightening, and I thank him for that. I see no reason to question his motivation any more than I would challenge the personal account someone might give of any other aspect of their cycling experience.
Whether or not his opinion that Armstrong used performance enhancing substances should be accepted is another matter, and that seems to be the issue more readily debated -- and it seems to be what's generating all the heat.
Serious question: has any other cyclist ever be as loved and hated as Armstrong?

House

You quote me saying he wants attention since he felt the need to post the same thing on two forums and then you try to argue his motivation without mentioning what I actually said. If you read the other thread he started you would know I had my doubts before he ever mentioned Lance. He made an assertion in his first post and refused to provide the actual proof of the knowledge he claimed he had proven. He has made many excuses about not telling what teams or what races. If he really was all about being forthcoming he should tell all or nothing. You don't make the claims he made without the substance to back it up (more then "because I said so") he did, he was questioned, he suddenly left the other thread with many questions unanswered and based on his last post he has decided to leave this one with as many unanswered questions. This fits the exact profile of someone wanting attention on a forum.

3_days

Has Armstrong ever commented on his relationship with Ferrari? Not taking a side, but just wondering if he ever said anything about it. (I'm more pissed that Armstrong is retired than whether he's clean or not ...)

As far as Timan's credibility goes, he has a pretty good grasp of drug dosage, interaction(s), prescription and effect - his posts are far from worthless. I understand various posters and their defense of Armstrong and demands for credible evidence, but I don't think any of us would or should post our name and personal information on the internet.

Does anyone have the wattage numbers from last year's Tour, Armstrong's TT on Alp D'Huez? If I recall, he blazed up it at about 15mph!!!