My experince with drugs and blood doping

ives

One thing that confuses me about the whole doping angle is that over the years, surely there would have been more than one person who woke up and thought...hold on.....this is wrong.There's a massive conspiracy going on here with all the riders doping and the public don't know about it. I need to come clean and if that means me losing my livelihood, so be it.
I know Kimmage did that, but I would have thought others might have.


I guess what I really struggle with is understanding how people like Landis and Armstrong can sleep at night after having gone on TV saying they have never doped. Surely, at some point they would say..enough is enough....I'm living a lie... and come clean about the whole sorry mess. Especially Landis who, by all accounts, had a pretty strict moral upbringing.

Wayneraltman

My guess is that in Armstrong's case it might be because he is innocent. I am certain that not once has anyone found any evidence to prove otherwise. It is sad that today it does not matter if there is no evidence a person is convicted regardless. How does one PROVE he DID NOT do something? That has to be tougher to do than to simply compile the evidence if it exisited.

So, if you have the evidence, please bring it forward, if not STFU.

Wayne Altman

ives

I don't accept for a minute that Armstrong was clean.

In trying to answer my own question ,my guess is that the moral climate in pro cycling is such that it is not considered doping. The line between taking ,say, vitamins, sports drinks, IV drips after stages, vitamin injection etc etc is so blurred, that it's considered neccassary to juice.

Perhaps the understanding that everyone does it, coupled with the sheer hard work of training, testing , racing, looking after oneself etc means that what the public see as 'drug taking' is just seen as normal in pro cycling and not at all illegal.

I dunno.

helmutRoole2

I'm going to guess Wayne has absolutely no background in competitive sports other than watching them on TV. If he had, he wouldn't make the obviously ignorant statement above.

And -- again this is another guess -- if you insult Wayne's heros, he's going to tell you to STFU.

Wayne, it's time to tear down the Armstrong poster from the ceiling of you bedroom and get on with you life. They all dope. Tous dope.

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Wayneraltman

You guess wrong I competed at a very high level in swimming for years, rode bulls all over Europe, did the odd Tri-athelon. I also play Golf now in tournaments when my time allows. I am more focused on making money than I was in my younger days I will grant you. That being said, I made my comments without addressing, or attacking anyone in particular (something you were unable to do) I merely stated that if you do not have any evidence you would care to share with the governing body of Cycling, the media, or the public at large, I would invite you to STFU.

I do not accept your arguement that they all dope, on the basis that you could not prove such an asinine statement, and where I come from, until you can, Lance Armstrong to me is innocent.

Dude this is not like OJ, where the evidence was there but he was found not guilty. NOT once has anyone EVER come up with a hot test for Lance. Some of you cannot face the fact he was that good, and if he had wanted to he might have won 8 times, not 7.

I am sorry for dragging up an old thread, but I did not notice the date when I posted.

Wayne Altman

cPritch67

Just get over it and move on......you and LeMond sound like sour grapes.

You've provided some good information and insight into something doping and Epo; something that most of us would never consider, but that is where the value of your posts stop. The bashing Lance or any other rider because you think "they won" and "didn't get caught" comes off as if you are jealous (IMO).

Wayneraltman

[QUOTE=cPritch67]Just get over it and move on......you and LeMond sound like sour grapes.

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I could not agree more, and it looks like they just busted Landis, so it makes me believe Lance even more. Here is a group of guys getting busted for cheating after the reign of Armstrong. Do not tell me they could not have caught Lance just as easy.

FACE facts fellas, LA = real deal Lemond= douche bag whiner and Landis=cheater

Wayne Altman

helmutRoole2

Wayne, it's time to tear down the Lance Armstrong posters from the ceiling of your bedroom and move on with your life. Lance was the best Tour rider ever, but there's too much evidence the man doped to consider him not a doper. Here's just a few of the dots easily connected:

1) Coached by Eddie B who openly admitted blood doping US cyclists at the 1984 Olympics.
2) Coached by Chris Charmicheal, a member of the 1984 Olympic team and admitted blood doper.
3) Retained ties to an Italian physician who was convicted of sporting fraud for admittedly doping athletes.
4) Sworn testimony from eyewitnesses that Armstrong admitted doping during a meeting with a physician prior to his cancer surgery.
5) Contracted testicular cancer, a common side effect of steroid use.
6) Tested positive for EPO six separate times during the 1999 Tour de France.
7) Made cash payments to WADA while he was still a professional cyclist, a clear conflict of interest for both parties.

There's seven and I'm not even an expert. There's plenty more. Go ahead, tell me to STFU while you make excuses for your heartthrob.

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mitosis

Is that it? Apart from that there is nothing to suggest LA doped.

Wayneraltman

Wow guys of course he cheated I have been so wrong, I am shocked that he has not been stripped of his 7 titles what could be wrong?
I tell you what, lets say you back ONE of these things up with the solid proof that convinced you. I will believe you over the fact that NOT one person has ever come up with a hot test for Lance. My very own best friend survived Testicular Cancer three years ago. I will ask him where he got the steriods that gave it to him. OOOPS HE NEVER USED THEM but since you say Lance did maybe he is lying to me.

Tear yourselves away from the animal porn long enough to post some of the proof the French would shank Jerry Lewis for I DARE YOU. Better yet let's agree to disagree. I am asking for proof you do not have and cannot get, but you will continue to believe what you want.

Tearing down a hero of mine making you any money, or helping you be any faster?

Wayne Altman

helmutRoole2

Wayne, do the statements above make sense to you? If they do, maybe you should consider professional treatment.

For the record, Armstrong doesn't make me any money. Or, helping me "be any faster," whatever that means.

Also, animal porn? Jerry Lewis? He got the shank? What? Are you daring me to post some proof the French shanked Jerry Lewis? I wasn't aware they did, but if you say so, I'll take your word for it. However, I don't see the relevance.

Wayne, the first step is admitting you have a problem.

Please, put down the crack pipe down.

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Wayneraltman

First day with the new language there ROOOOLE? You said you have information that LA cheated. I am sure IF YOU DID have that info, the French would shank Jerry Lewis to get it. Too bad it only exsists in your mind.

You are not unlike many of the other people on this site. Your petty jealousy of the AP sportsman of the year four years running, is sad for the sport.

Good luck with that,

Wayne Altman

helmutRoole2

Good luck with your crack cocaine habit and tell Jerry Lewis high for me.

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musher

Hi, so let's look at LA for the fun of it; LA was a middle of the pack rider until what 1996 or 97 ,finish is TDF in 95 36 th at the GC ,wow? that is great .Then we don't see him in 96-97 & 98 and show up in 99 and go on winnig for 7 straight years ?i guess he must seen Superman and got some of is green rock Power ,and you still believe he was clean , you need to open your eyes.Did you know in 99 and 2000 LA use a drug " Actovegin " he ad some in the first aid kit ,what ? do you think it got there by accident.It wasen't a ban substance intil 2000 .Hum i wonder why it was added to the list of ilegal drug ? Anyway ,not all riders do drugs ,musher