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Cycling Central Asia-Peking to Paris

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Old 24-07.-2006, 01:09 AM   #16
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Default Re: Cycling Central Asia-Peking to Paris

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Independant travel by bike is "frowned upon" (probaby because we don't need to spend as much money as other types of tourists). I would not mention your wish, or intention to do so in any official corespondence with China.

Unless:

You are using a guided service.

Perhaps have some form or type of national support for your expedition. (ie your consolate/embassy supports you, and is in contact with the Chinese government on your behalf.)

Very good advice. If you don't get embassy support, forget arranging things directly with the authorities in China. Not only is cycling a less lucrative form of tourism (and generally considered a means of transport for the poor, a token of low status), cyclists with lots of hi-tech equipment (say helmets, cyclometers, etc) are susceptible to all forms of questionable anti-China activities.

The Chinese police (gong'an) seldom know which areas are closed, and which open anyway. I once lived in the central city of Xi'an and was intent on doing it all by the books so inquired with the local police chief on the distribution of nearby closed zones - he didn't know how to answer.

Some areas are really closed and you will just see - more often nowadays than previously - signs in English. Then the issue is clear.

Otherwise just cycle wherever you please; if you run into a checkpoint and they bug on you, remember: 1) even "closed zones" are open to transit, and it's always feasible to paint cycling through as a form of transit (if you know Chinese, that is!); 2) be polite and smile a lot (if you don't know Chinese that's about as far as you can go; after 30 minutes or so an official police interpreter should arrive and be sure to compliment her/him on their excellent English, once you soften them up they will be on your side with the tough local sherriff); 3) have all your money deep inside your panniers (or in some other secret place), and be always ready to perform with your friends a scene of "thoroughly" emptying all your wallets, purses, money-bags of "all" your local currency, making sure in advance that what you have there does not really amount to much, but enough for the police team to get a good meal and a drink and some cigarettes.

Well, all the best: heal fast, get ready, and go - go, before these last few remnants of (almost) unspoilt and pristine nature get a taste of Chinese nihilistic "liberation"...
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Old 23-09.-2006, 11:34 PM   #17
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Default Re: Cycling Central Asia-Peking to Paris

I read the posts by Felbur and Waterford-Camel, and I thought I should post a reply. I went cycle touring in China last year, on a fully supported tour with a China-based company called Bike Asia. They are westerners working in Asia, running cycling holidays. My experience was that China was really tourism-friendly, even bike tourism. We didn't see or feel any issues with the authorities and we cycled some remote and not-so-remote areas in South West China. Maybe it was because the tour was so professionally planned and organised that we didn't experience anything like that, but I just found the local people to be really friendly and welcoming. Had an amazing two weeks and I'm hoping to go back to China next year to join Bike Asia's new China cycling tour in Guangxi and Guizhou Province in 2007. Highly recommend these guys btw, they really know the country and they really know cycling!
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Old 24-09.-2006, 03:28 PM   #18
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We ( my wife and I ) are considering the same in 2007. One of the problems we see ( the biking is the least one ) is obtaining visa's for Kasakhstan and Russia without booking hotels , ect. How do you get around that one? Also some area's along the route in China are closed for foreingers.

Arnold van Zon, New Zealand

I did a fair amount of cycling in the CIS but way back in 1994. I kept a very thorough and well written journal on it of over 108,000 words. In those days if you went across Ukraine from L'viv to Kiev you could get visas at the Russian embassy in Kiev, but I did not do that. I know only that they were available. Kazakhstan also had visas available. Ukraine had a transit visa at the border. It was good for a few days and needed to be replaced by a tourist visa at any city that was a capital in the affairs of a province. Georgia was admitting Americans without any visa at all, or so said the sign on the wall of the American embassy in Kiev.

There are rules and regulations about reservations and addresses of places you will be staying all along your line of travel. I am not too sure that they really press those rules all that much for everyone. However, be aware that there you are in another world, and while they might let you travel across their territory without all the proper information in your itinerary, when it comes to leaving their country you might find yourself facing heavy fines some or all of which might be pocketed by the border officials. I am not saying this will happen but those places are another world. There you are not back home on the block.
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