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27-08.-2005, 11:49 PM
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Re: New mantra: beginners need milage
>What about 2 months apart? I want to register tomorrow.
_ Go For It! As i originally suggested, find a marathon for November as well and do 3 marathons in 3 months. Why not? You've been running for a whole year, you know what you're doing...furthermore this will then qualify you for a "Bronze" membership with the Marathon Maniacs. http://marathonmaniacs.com/ Don't listen to the these running elitist on this ng, they're basically what we in the 'hood call "haters". Good luck & Godspeed! (emphasis on s-p-e-e-d!). |
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28-08.-2005, 12:51 AM
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Re: New mantra: beginners need milage
On 2005-08-27, Janithor <JanithorSPAMBEGONE@comcast.net> wrote:
> > What about 2 months apart? I want to register tomorrow, it's the cutoff > for the cheaper price. Now I'm not sure if I should register for the > full marathon or for the 1/2 marathon, Register for the half. It will help you set a realistic goal for the marathon, and it's also good training. > and put my eggs in the one in December instead. I'd like to run both. It doesn't work like that. You don't reduce your risk by doing two in two months. There's an anecdote I heard about a football player who tried to run a quarter in a certain goal time. He was a little bit slow, so a few minutes later he tries again. Then again. I'm sure you can guess what happened -- each one was slower than the last. You can certainly *recover* from a marathon in two months. What you can't do is recover, build, then taper and peak for the second marathon. You will always be weaker on the second one. The only way around this is if you speed recovery on the first marathon by DNFing somewhere before the 15 mile mark. Cheers, -- Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ |
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28-08.-2005, 12:53 AM
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Re: New mantra: beginners need milage
On 2005-08-27, Doug Freese <dfreese@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
> > "Donovan Rebbechi" <abuse@aol.com> wrote in message > news:slrndgvqih.4gd.abuse@panix2.panix.com... >> >> A full marathon 3 weeks before a full marathon is suicide. > > If the first is used as a long run, i.e. run easy, why isn't it just > ones last long run. If run hard it's IS suicide. True, provided you can comfortably finish the full 26.2, and provided you have the discipline to run the race at your long run pace. Most beginners have trouble holding back the first half of a marathon to their marathon pace (-; I got a bit of a laugh out of seeing a guy with a 3:15 pace sign a few miles into the NY marathon last year. Cheers, -- Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ |
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28-08.-2005, 08:48 AM
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Re: New mantra: beginners need milage
"Janithor" <JanithorSPAMBEGONE@comcast.net> wrote in message news:43104559.4050804@comcast.net... > What about 2 months apart? I want to register tomorrow, it's the > cutoff for the cheaper price. Now I'm not sure if I should register > for the full marathon or for the 1/2 marathon, and put my eggs in the > one in December instead. I'd like to run both. Can't answer!! This is not a calendar metric but how fast or well you recover and only you know or don't know that. -Dougf |
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28-08.-2005, 12:22 PM
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Re: New mantra: beginners need milage
"Janithor" <JanithorSPAMBEGONE@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:43104559.4050804@comcast.net... > x-no-archive: yes > > Doug Freese wrote: > > "Donovan Rebbechi" <abuse@aol.com> wrote in message > > news:slrndgvqih.4gd.abuse@panix2.panix.com... > > > >>A full marathon 3 weeks before a full marathon is suicide. > > > > If the first is used as a long run, i.e. run easy, why isn't it just > > ones last long run. If run hard it's IS suicide. > > What about 2 months apart? I want to register tomorrow, it's the cutoff > for the cheaper price. Now I'm not sure if I should register for the > full marathon or for the 1/2 marathon, and put my eggs in the one in > December instead. I'd like to run both. Last year I ran a 50k on Sept 11th, then a marathon on Nov 27th. While I'm good about putting in the long runs, I'm a fairly low running mileage cross-trainer guy, but I thought that would be sufficient time to be ready for the marathon. For many reasons, the marathon effort was less than stellar and a horrible experience. I felt burned out ramping up to the marathon after the 50k. You'll only know how you do once you try it, but if you like to always race hard, don't do it! Your legs might take a good 5-6 months to recover if you do - like mine did. As others have said if you do the first one *slow* as training you should be fine. -Tony |
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28-08.-2005, 01:32 PM
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Re: New mantra: beginners need milage
Janithor wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes > > Doug Freese wrote: > >> "Donovan Rebbechi" <abuse@aol.com> wrote in message >> news:slrndgvqih.4gd.abuse@panix2.panix.com... >> >>> A full marathon 3 weeks before a full marathon is suicide. >> >> >> >> If the first is used as a long run, i.e. run easy, why isn't it just >> ones last long run. If run hard it's IS suicide. >> >> -DF > > > > What about 2 months apart? I want to register tomorrow, it's the cutoff > for the cheaper price. Now I'm not sure if I should register for the > full marathon or for the 1/2 marathon, and put my eggs in the one in > December instead. I'd like to run both. > You'll have to figure this out outside a book and other people's recommendations. I don't think anyone's mentioned things like how much travelling you need to do and mental stress of races may affect your recovery time and prep for 2nd race. Also consider do you need to run both this year for a reason (one time opportunity of some sort) or can you run one this year, one next. (We've had world, national championship and accompanying citizens races up here, something pretty rare for running in Alaska, so there was no "next year".) Oct 2 is 5 wks away. By now you've probably done a couple 20+ mi runs. What is your recovery like? Use your own clues as guidelines. Will you stay in a "peaked" state (probably not) or will you recover then peak again? 2 months may be too short for a beginner to do this and too long to maintain a peak. Or will the 1st be a training run? Depending on logistics of getting there, will it be just a training run or will all the other hoopla of a race add to the stress? Only you know. Dot -- "Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope |
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