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26-09.-2005, 09:50 PM

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Re: Michael Moore Movie and Katrina

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Originally Posted by limerickman

I don't presume that anyone is saying that Bush created the Hurricane.

But there is a question mark about just how much help and how much assistance was provided by Central Goverment and the slow response to what
has been a disaster.
And there is also a question mark about how FEMA budgets were corralled in to that other old chestnut the Dept of Homeland Security.
Whether any of this is suitable for a film is highly subjective, of course.

But speaking of media, it is interesting to note that Bush has visited
New Orleans five separate times in the last three weeks.
And he used to media to inform the public of those visits.
So perhaps Michael Moore isn't the only one using the media to their own ends ?

I am not defending Bush in any way ....but if he hadn't visited he would have been classed as a non-caring SOB.
If he goes there he is 'Grandstanding".
No win situation for him at this point.
A docomertary film would be enlightening if it were done without prejudice by someone like the caliber of Charles Kurlat (deceased of course). I met him once in New Orleans,as chance would have it, a nice stand up guy, but there must be some good ones left that are not polarized one way or another.
Moore is not one of them.

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26-09.-2005, 10:28 PM

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Re: Michael Moore Movie and Katrina

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If he hadn't visited the area - he would be lambasted as you say.

I am not sure that a documentary will provide any more insight to what is already known.
The citizens of Louisiana know who compounded the problem of their hurricane - namely the Gov of George W Bush.

26-09.-2005, 10:31 PM

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Re: Michael Moore Movie and Katrina

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I agree on one point, I believe the residents know who needs to shoulder the blame.

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26-09.-2005, 11:54 PM

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Re: Michael Moore Movie and Katrina

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funny, you spelled the govenors name wrong. I agree with you it is namely the Govenor and the mayors fault!

... you spell Bush differently ?

26-09.-2005, 11:58 PM

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Re: Michael Moore Movie and Katrina

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A benefit of living in many parts of the world, I can insult people in several different languages, dialects, and slang expressions. I was hoping for more outrage from you. But you didn't bite. BLNT

i've been called worse, a lot worse.

so you've lived in the UK?...great, where abouts?

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27-09.-2005, 12:02 AM

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yeah...especially since you've never seen one before...

true, ive been married for 5 and a half years, got two kids but still havent managed to catch a glimpse of boobs yet...

when i meet you Zap though i am sure you are a big enough boob to make up for all that...

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27-09.-2005, 12:27 AM

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Re: Michael Moore Movie and Katrina

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You are an idiot. What did you not understand about the items I listed? He told the mayor and governor to evacuate THEIR citizens. They (mayor & governor) got out, but they left THEIR people.

Now blame Bush for that, you shit-for-brains boob.

So, someone e-mails you some "whining-liberals-are-at-it-again" propaganda and you take it all for solid fact?? Pick up a newspaper once and while ... it's a little more complicated than Bush vs. Blanco-Nagin.

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The Governor, despite a declaration of disaster by the President 2 DAYS BEFORE the storm hit, failed to take advantage of the offer of Federal troops and aid until 2 DAYS AFTER the storm hit.

Blanco declares state of emergency August 26.

Bush declares state of emergency August 27.

Blanco requests aid increase to $130M on August 28.

August 29 (the day Katrina hit): Blanco says she could not reach Bush or his chief of staff, and had to leave a message pleading for help with a low level adviser.

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With 5-day heads-up, he (Nagin) had the authority to use any and all services to evacuate all residents from the city

5 days? It would be difficult to order New Orleans to evacuate when Katrina was tropical storm still off the Atlantic coast of Florida ...

"Mayor Nagin issued a voluntary evacuation request late in the day on August 27 (Katrina was Category 3). He was hesitant to order a mandatory evacuation because of concerns about the city's liability for closing hotels and other businesses. On August 28, when Katrina became a Category 4 hurricane, Nagin declared a mandatory evacuation."

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Some more Comments from UNREPORTED NEWS

Please ... unreported news? That's what you call fact?

27-09.-2005, 01:08 AM

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Re: Michael Moore Movie and Katrina

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you might want to put the paper down once in a while and check into reality there bro…

By checking out the latest internet chain letter?

27-09.-2005, 01:13 AM

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Re: Michael Moore Movie and Katrina

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The problem is Nagin himself gets on the radio and blasts everyone but himself. Knowing the history of the levies and the potential danger, if he would have planned better, he would have been vindicated no matter the outcome.

Nagin is not a leader and that is the real problem here and for that matter neither is blanko…

BTW don’t believe everything you read in the paper so, you might want to put the paper down once in a while and check into reality there bro…

How could they have planned better ?
The budgets to secure the levees were cut at Federal level (not State level).
Louisiana requested federal help prior to the storm hitting and got little or no support/response at Federal level.
FEMA's budget was cut at Federal level which did not help the rescue operation.

Bush and his goverment didn't cause the hurricane.
That's about the only positive thing that one can say about the Bush involvement in the Lousiana disaster.

27-09.-2005, 01:30 AM

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Re: Michael Moore Movie and Katrina

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So, armed with this information if you are the (mayor/govenor) wouldn't you have gotten your people out of there??? Responsibillity starts with the first level of government not at the top there McFly....

Armed with the information that is available and documented, it appears that at federal level there was no support for Louisiana State.

But hey, Bush is never to blame for anything - right ?

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