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Is 40 too old??

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Old 15-01.-2006, 06:18 AM   #91
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Tell me what times you ride Central Park...like to see your form. Sounds like you can teach a newbie a thing or two, and lets see if you can kick my butt. I do work so I am always stuck with the traffic hours.


I only ride whenever the spirt moves me and it's 45+ degrees or warmer. . . this brings up another nice thing about not racing: I ride stictly for joy and never for "training." No numb toes, no snot-covered bike, gritty chain to clean, etc., etc. . . of course with 3-week winter lay-offs that means multiple bonks per season. . . not too joyful. I'll e-mail you next time I go out. . . if I forget, look for a blue 1999 Colnago Tecnos with chrome fork and black aerohead wheels (another joy: steel bikes!).

Anyway, don't let me or anyone else discourage you. Race if you want. if you haven't done it yet, it's an experience like no other. And winning even a club race is pure joy, something every rider deserves to experience. 40 is a huge difference from 50, and there are many more masters in the field today, so it's probably a lot more enjoyable as a master than it used to be (back in the 80s for me).

I quit racing in my late 30s because then the only decent sized fields were the cat 1/2 races where I always got clobbered by younger riders with no other lives but eating, sleeping (dorm style), riding, and beer drinking. I decided there are many things in life more interesting than getting up at 5:00 a.m. just to fill the pack for these guys. I wasn't training just to build someone's else's ego up.

p.s. if you can average 20mph for 5-6 laps in Central Park (solo) that's pretty damn good fitness. That translates into 25mph in a pace line. Good enough for a C race definitely. A sneak attack on the bell lap at Tavern on the Green could win you a trophy on a lucky day.
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Old 15-01.-2006, 11:25 AM   #92
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OK...I got my prerequisite set up for the bigger goal...it seems doing min 30 miles at anywhere between 18-20 mph. It seems that is what you and alot of the guys are telling me. This seems like a mountain for me right now but lets make it happen. Until I do that I will not think about a race...

Given that you know CP and its terrian I trust your assessment of how well I shold be riding. You know of any articles, training schedules or books to get you up to that level?

Hope to see you in CP, if you see a Trek 5000, black and silver with aguy usually wearing a bright yellow pearl izumi jacket, it is probably me.

The goal will get me to be better at some of my worst riding like the curvy downhills. I am terrible on the uptown westside downhill. People just jam down it while I keep jamming the brakes. I should be able to make up some great time there...but...

Next week will take a few lite days and setup my base time/speed for 5 laps to work up from...

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I only ride whenever the spirt moves me and it's 45+ degrees or warmer. . . this brings up another nice thing about not racing: I ride stictly for joy and never for "training." No numb toes, no snot-covered bike, gritty chain to clean, etc., etc. . . of course with 3-week winter lay-offs that means multiple bonks per season. . . not too joyful. I'll e-mail you next time I go out. . . if I forget, look for a blue 1999 Colnago Tecnos with chrome fork and black aerohead wheels (another joy: steel bikes!).

Anyway, don't let me or anyone else discourage you. Race if you want. if you haven't done it yet, it's an experience like no other. And winning even a club race is pure joy, something every rider deserves to experience. 40 is a huge difference from 50, and there are many more masters in the field today, so it's probably a lot more enjoyable as a master than it used to be (back in the 80s for me).

I quit racing in my late 30s because then the only decent sized fields were the cat 1/2 races where I always got clobbered by younger riders with no other lives but eating, sleeping (dorm style), riding, and beer drinking. I decided there are many things in life more interesting than getting up at 5:00 a.m. just to fill the pack for these guys. I wasn't training just to build someone's else's ego up.

p.s. if you can average 20mph for 5-6 laps in Central Park (solo) that's pretty damn good fitness. That translates into 25mph in a pace line. Good enough for a C race definitely. A sneak attack on the bell lap at Tavern on the Green could win you a trophy on a lucky day.
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Old 16-01.-2006, 08:11 AM   #93
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...But honestly until like speedy gonzalez posted I can maintain a 20mph average over the central park ... 6 mile loop I will not try anyway...-js
You do realise, JS, that, in all the time you've been talking about starting to race, you could have actually been doing it? Unless there is no racing available over your side of the pond at the moment, just get in a novice class and give it a try. At 40 you shouldn't be caring what other people may think and you shouldn't be worried about coming last - someone has to. Just go and do it instead of talking for months about it. It really isn't a big deal. Aim for not DNF'ing. At the moment your stuck in DNS'ing.
No-one cares what you ride / what you wear / how you place. The only person who will ever care about how crappy you went in your first race will be yourself. If you like it, it'll inspire you to do better in your next race. If you don't like it, it'll free you up to head in a different direction.
My 2 rupee's worth as this thread seems to have rolled on for a long time with lots of encouragement and still no debut race.
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Old 16-01.-2006, 08:43 AM   #94
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2 rupee's ... I wonder what that is worth...

But ok I can take a hint..not trying to keep this thread going...consider it done for me and I will start the next thread with my experience.

I think I have learned enough from it and can not be any more ready mentally.

Thanks guys...

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You do realise, JS, that, in all the time you've been talking about starting to race, you could have actually been doing it? Unless there is no racing available over your side of the pond at the moment, just get in a novice class and give it a try. At 40 you shouldn't be caring what other people may think and you shouldn't be worried about coming last - someone has to. Just go and do it instead of talking for months about it. It really isn't a big deal. Aim for not DNF'ing. At the moment your stuck in DNS'ing.
No-one cares what you ride / what you wear / how you place. The only person who will ever care about how crappy you went in your first race will be yourself. If you like it, it'll inspire you to do better in your next race. If you don't like it, it'll free you up to head in a different direction.
My 2 rupee's worth as this thread seems to have rolled on for a long time with lots of encouragement and still no debut race.
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Old 04-03.-2006, 10:55 PM   #95
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I've just noticed this thread.

I'm 45 only took up cycling a couple of years ago ex motorbike racer.

Gave the motorbikes away in early fourties started to scare me too much & thoughht I'd quit while I still had all my fingers & toes. Had to think of my children as well.

Started cycling to work when a friend gave me an old MB in garage. Rode that for awhile, bought myself a better mountain bike, then thought I'd like a road bike. Bough an old Repco sdteel frame off ebay. Rode that for about a year.

About a year ago bough myself a decent road bike Ally, carbon fork with Shimano 105.

Now want to give racing a go.

Can do 20km at 33Kph or 500-60km at 30kph. In neutral conditions.

I'm a big guy 183cm 80kg but not too much body fat. So not a great climber but better at sprinting & love cornering on bicycle got back on Motor bike recently, felt like trying to corner a tank.

Love out cornering cars on bicycle.

Have just moved to Ireland from Australia so will be doing my first Vets race in about a month.

In terms of training doing 2 interval cessions, 2 x 20km flat out rides & 1 50km plus ride a week.

Trying to build up to 100km ride.

Hoping I will do OK & won't be embarased.

Any last minute tips would be much appreciated.

Looking back on everything I wish I had of take up cycling when I was younger.

But I absolutely love it. Theres a real satisfaction in knowing your doing it all yourself as opposed to motorbike & it hurts a lot less when you come off.
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Old 06-03.-2006, 12:59 AM   #96
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I've just noticed this thread.

I'm 45 only took up cycling a couple of years ago ex motorbike racer.

Gave the motorbikes away in early fourties started to scare me too much & thoughht I'd quit while I still had all my fingers & toes. Had to think of my children as well.

Started cycling to work when a friend gave me an old MB in garage. Rode that for awhile, bought myself a better mountain bike, then thought I'd like a road bike. Bough an old Repco sdteel frame off ebay. Rode that for about a year.

About a year ago bough myself a decent road bike Ally, carbon fork with Shimano 105.

Now want to give racing a go.

Can do 20km at 33Kph or 500-60km at 30kph. In neutral conditions.

I'm a big guy 183cm 80kg but not too much body fat. So not a great climber but better at sprinting & love cornering on bicycle got back on Motor bike recently, felt like trying to corner a tank.

Love out cornering cars on bicycle.

Have just moved to Ireland from Australia so will be doing my first Vets race in about a month.

In terms of training doing 2 interval cessions, 2 x 20km flat out rides & 1 50km plus ride a week.

Trying to build up to 100km ride.

Hoping I will do OK & won't be embarased.

Any last minute tips would be much appreciated.

Looking back on everything I wish I had of take up cycling when I was younger.

But I absolutely love it. Theres a real satisfaction in knowing your doing it all yourself as opposed to motorbike & it hurts a lot less when you come off.

It's never too old to start racing, but you have to be honest about what you want. If you want to go out and finish mid pack and have fun, then you can do so by keeping a reasonable regimen. If you want to move up classes and compete with the fast guys, it WILL become a 2nd job to some extent in terms of diet, committment to fitness, equipment (and expense).

I raced BMX, then road, then mountain, and then a mix over about 15 years. I am a bigger guy (5'8, 175 lbs). What I learned was to focus on my weaknesses (weight, climbing) while maximizing my strengths (bike handling, sprinting, and pain tolerance). I'd get a book on racing (Greg Lemond's, etc.) as they contain tons of great tips on pack skills and racing tactics. Little things like learning how to draft in echelon with a cross wind can make a big difference in how much energy you burn. Overall, if you are new to racing, learn how to sit in and conserve as much energy as you can, saving it for those times when it will best serve you. Also, eat/drink often. I have trounced many a faster guy over longer distances because they don't eat/drink. I try to drink a bottle an hour and have a small granola bar or something about every 60 to 75 minutes. My last 20 minutes before the finish I usually consume a gel packet and find that these give a great last effort boost (especially the ones with caffeine). There are also some great recovery drinks out there that really seem to help with post ride recovery so you'll be ready for action sooner. Post ride massage (I use a rolling pin) is great for recovery as well.

Your bike is likely just fine. If you have any areas of nagging discomfort (back, neck, knees, etc.) consider having a "fit kit" done to make sure your riding position is optimum. The longer the distances and higher the exertion, the more little errors in setup will show and reduce performance through pain and fatigue.

If you want to consider an upgrade look first at WHEELS and tires. Rotating weight is most crucial and you will get more performance per dollar here than anywhere else. Neuvation has some great semi aero wheels that they are selling at discount right now. I haven't ridden them, but reviews and consumer opinions are very good. I personally run Ksyrium SSC SL and Cane Creek Aerohead. The CC's are a lot cheaper and if running criterium type races, or slower races with a lot of climbs, they would be my pick. Otherwise, I think a semi aero wheel is definitely the way to go. High quality Kevlar tires can be had for pretty cheap prices via mail order if you look around. I buy them cheap and change them out fairly early (at race speeds, any loss of traction can be serious, and they seem to have more rolling resistance when you develop a flat spot in the center of the tread. (Not worth saving a few $ versus eating pavement).

If you don't already train with a heart rate monitor, I would start. Many of us tend to overtrain or overdo it. At 40 plus, the chance of this being fatal certainly would seem to increase. I also find that I recover faster if I try to stay in zone (and out of redline more often). Using one religously really helped my fitness. If you are really serious, the concensus is that power measurement (wattage) is the best measure. You can get set up with a Polar 720i and a power measurement option for about $500 to $600.

I will say this, in closing. After racing off and on for many years, I pretty much gave it up. It just felt too much like a 2nd job and took away the fun of riding for me. I find fast recreational rides (weekend group rides) to be more satisfying. You get a lot of the same feeling (sprinting for stop signs, breakaways, and the "finish line") depending upon the group, but without the added expense and pressure of an organized race. I found that unless I finished in the top few places I just wasn't happy. And my HRM showed me that in doing so I wasn't always being very wise (pushing myself over the limit). Whatever you decide, just try to have fun, and ask around as a lot of guys are wiling to give you tips and help (true with mountain bikers more than true roadies, but there are always at least a few nice people to be found.)
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