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Old 31-01.-2006, 08:24 AM   #31
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i'm confused at your take on single leg drills, i can't tell whether you are for or against them. apologies. i think i get the impression that you do not agree with doing them. if this is so, then i'm going to have to agree to disagree with you on that topic. coming from a background in the javelin (in college as well), we practiced drills for muscle memory probably 70% of the time and only actually threw about 15-20% of the time. technique drills are imperative. i just don't understand the mentality to ride the bike all the time, which is the impression that i get from your responses. little to no weight training and no drills that break down technique (i.e. single leg drills)? Please respond. Thanks for the discussion....


Apologies, still very short on time, so i'm going to be brief:

I've no idea how you can be confused on my opinion of them, i've clearly stated they're a waste of time (except in certain circumstances). Maybe you're being funny, and it doesn't come over well (in this medium)?

as i mentioned in my post above cycling is a gross motor control sport, whereas (e.g.) javelin is a fine motor control sport (i mentioned rifle shooting), as such technique (or fine motor) skills are more important in javelin (or rifle shooting) than cycling.

wouldn't single leg drills still be just riding the bike?

In lieu of my time shortage, i'll point you in the direction of the Coyle paper, http://www.midweekclub.com/articles/coyle91.pdf

Essentially, in terms of endurance cycling performance (i.e., races that last > 90-secs) the only thing that will make you better at it (assuming you're a trained cyclist) is riding the bike (of course, there's a whole lot of different intensities and durations you can ride for!)

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Old 20-02.-2006, 10:07 AM   #32
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Apologies, still very short on time, so i'm going to be brief:

I've no idea how you can be confused on my opinion of them, i've clearly stated they're a waste of time (except in certain circumstances). Maybe you're being funny, and it doesn't come over well (in this medium)?

wouldn't single leg drills still be just riding the bike?

In lieu of my time shortage, i'll point you in the direction of the Coyle paper, http://www.midweekclub.com/articles/coyle91.pdf

Essentially, in terms of endurance cycling performance (i.e., races that last > 90-secs) the only thing that will make you better at it (assuming you're a trained cyclist) is riding the bike (of course, there's a whole lot of different intensities and durations you can ride for!)

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I do not have time to read through Coyles report to see how viable the research is, but I doubt he has trained any olympic or Tour De France winners. According to Carmichael Training Systems (CTS), "fast pedal excercises increase pedal effiency and .... allows you to develope a smooth pedal stroke."

Pedaling with one leg is a good way learn a complete pedal stroke. If you are having problems with keeping a smooth pedal, then going back to the basics is a good technigue. I have used this method in other sports.

Practice faster cadence and you will become smoother. I know that bouncng was part of my fast pedaling until training cured it.

Not all training tecniques will work for everyone. But good ones will work for the majority. Learn what will work for you and have fun riding.
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Old 20-02.-2006, 10:19 AM   #33
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I do not have time to read through Coyles report to see how viable the research is, but I doubt he has trained any olympic or Tour De France winners. According to Carmichael Training Systems (CTS), "fast pedal excercises increase pedal effiency and .... allows you to develope a smooth pedal stroke."


i guess this is ironic because Coyle has tested Armstrong, and he was part of the research to which i pointed.

Efficiency in terms of pedalling, which is thermodynamic efficiency, is well established in all the literature pertaining to this that a lower cadence is more efficient than a higher cadence, irrespective of what CTS does or doesn't say.

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Pedaling with one leg is a good way learn a complete pedal stroke. If you are having problems with keeping a smooth pedal, then going back to the basics is a good technigue. I have used this method in other sports.


As any sports psychologist will tell you, the best way to learn a new skill is not by breaking it down or separating it, but doing it as a whole. There is no evidence - other than anecdotal "old wives tales" to support one-legged pedalling (other than if you only have one leg, or take part in one legged events).

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Practice faster cadence and you will become smoother. I know that bouncng was part of my fast pedaling until training cured it.


i don't believe that anyone is not saying you shouldn't pedal "fast" (whatever fast may be). However, pedalling fast with very low power may not be of much use. Or would you like to take your chain off and really rev it?

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