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Old 12-02.-2006, 11:28 AM   #31
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I have no doubt in my mind there is a bias towards Islam in this country. I have no idea why. That is, if groups of Christians and Jews had marched through London with banners calling for beheadings, I'm positive the police would have made arrests. And I also pointed out in an article for the paper I've been doing that the police set on the Country Alliance anti-hunt-ban protesters with batons.
Yet in this case we're discussing they (the police) stood and watched. Not only that but they arrested people who tried to take the banners away and many of those banners celebrated the London bombings (yet no U.K. publication published the cartoons).
For some reason, liberals over here somehow see moslems as anti-establishment and representing values we should emulate. What they simply don't grasp is moslems are conservative and are not at all liberal. They don't agree with gender equality, many believe in the death penalty even for lesser crimes and many don't believe in freedom of expression e.t.c.
Those simply aren't my values. Somebody once said a moslem has more in common with George W Bush than with me, for example, as at least Bush believes in God, morality and after-life while I simply don't.

As usual you have failed to note that I previously forecast this scenario, and you have have failed to read The Public Order Act1986. You are just a braindead reactionary. No arrests were made because the Police EGT were operating, they are at this moment sifting through 60 hours of tapes, for two reasons.
PS. I thought that you claimed yourself as being a liberal.
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Old 12-02.-2006, 12:15 PM   #32
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Let's start with the crusades,the forced conversion of moslems and jews in spain,the burnings of so-called heretics in europe for publishing a different version of the bible,the hunting of witches,the slaughter in "god's"name by the conquistadors in south america to "convert the heathen",the various war-crimes in the balkans,the constant invocation by every western democracy that "god" is on their side,the murder of palestinian refugees by maronites in lebanon,the killings in northern ireland,the murder of jews by orthodox christians in russia...the fact is,more people have died as a result of the christian policy of "love thy neighbour" than any other religion in history.
"christianity" isn't even a coherent religion anyway.Just a loose collection of loony sects who have proven throughout history that whatever moral code they profess to believe in is a farce and a joke.
christianity...it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
christianity...god wanted me to be president...
christianity...us tele-evangelist style...make a donation,"god" will make you rich...
Your unintelligent attempt to explain is valued for its comedic value.



Your point is well based in fact,however please note those that go silently through life with a dedicate moral belief based in their faith.
Those that give of themselves without bias or regard that give up,their wealth and time,those that give organs to strangers,the ones that lay down their lives for others because of unselfish morals.
These individuals never make the news because it is not sensationalism.
Every time I think the human race should be damned to the dark recesses I encounter examples of this process. Where would the world,as in humans, be without them.
An axe can be used as a tool or a weapon,yet does this make the axe a good thing or a bad thing?
Is it this thing "religion" that fails or those that misuse it?

SB: I am just an ingonorant hillbilly, but a stubborn one, and yet to be convinced that a moral belief system is wrong.
Maybe it is the Catfish clouding my mind.
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Old 12-02.-2006, 01:22 PM   #33
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People need to wake up. The Muslims are what they are. They are angry and they despise the countries and the cultures they move to. Europe has it's hands full and America has had it's problems.
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Sounds pretty sensible to me.

The strongest and smartest will survive and the weakest and least intelligent will fall and go the way of all flesh. Some things never change.

What are the odds on this one?
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Old 14-02.-2006, 01:40 AM   #34
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I'm a centre liberal. I don't believe in the death penalty, I believe in freedom of speech, gender equality, a secular democratic state as the best means of attaining a free society and also have certain socialist leanings.
Probably what it is is this is a very liberal forum so I appear far more Right-Wing than I am. Just because I read the Mail doesn't mean I share the Mail support for a death penalty (hanging) or support of prison as opposed to rehabilitation e.t.c.
I suppose when Zapper was here he made me look liberal as he was so more right-wing than me.


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As usual you have failed to note that I previously forecast this scenario, and you have have failed to read The Public Order Act1986. You are just a braindead reactionary. No arrests were made because the Police EGT were operating, they are at this moment sifting through 60 hours of tapes, for two reasons.
PS. I thought that you claimed yourself as being a liberal.
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Old 14-02.-2006, 10:57 AM   #35
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Baby, what's wrong? You sound crabby. That always happens when your second teeth come in.
Anyway, you never answered the question about your vast police expericence. Where were you a police officer, as you said?
As far as countries go, which have you lived in? Length of stay?
These are personal questions that do not take days or weeks to answer. So.....

And I'll repeat my other question. Please inform us of the last time burning and rioting occurred because a newspaper printed a cartoon of Jesus.

And PLEASE, get some adult supervision to show you how to use the computer.
Please get someone to show you the search facility at the top of your screen before you post vague and unsubstantiated criticism of my computer skills.
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Your point is well based in fact,however please note those that go silently through life with a dedicate moral belief based in their faith.
Those that give of themselves without bias or regard that give up,their wealth and time,those that give organs to strangers,the ones that lay down their lives for others because of unselfish morals.
These individuals never make the news because it is not sensationalism.
Every time I think the human race should be damned to the dark recesses I encounter examples of this process. Where would the world,as in humans, be without them.
An axe can be used as a tool or a weapon,yet does this make the axe a good thing or a bad thing?
Is it this thing "religion" that fails or those that misuse it?

SB: I am just an ingonorant hillbilly, but a stubborn one, and yet to be convinced that a moral belief system is wrong.
Maybe it is the Catfish clouding my mind.
I agree.(cherish the moment.)
Most people,whatever their religious belief,would like the chance to live out their lives in peace,raise their families,have a decent job and enjoy good health.When I criticise christianity on this forum,it's to point out that islam or any other religion doesn't have a monopoly on looniness or violence.
Fortunately there are more good people than bad in the world.Perhaps it's better to think of the glass as being half-full...that there are more people who are prepared to help and share than not.
In the us,this is called "communism" or "liberalism".
As the us is generally described as a "liberal democracy" (and there can be no kind of democracy other than a liberal one) the denigration of "liberals" by the reperblicans on this forum makes me wonder at their motivation.I wonder,do they also disagree with Adam Smith (a self-described liberal)?


P.S. If you insist on eating a fish that even other fish won't eat,you should try to counter the effects by regularly flushing the system with plenty of water.The addition of malt,hops and yeast will make this more palatable.
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Old 14-02.-2006, 02:36 PM   #37
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Please get someone to show you the search facility at the top of your screen before you post vague and unsubstantiated criticism of my computer skills.


Answer the questions baby.
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Answer the questions baby.
Or what?

Still can't do a search then?
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Answer the questions baby.
You empty headed animal food trough wiper!I fart in your general direction!Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
So go away or I shall taunt you a second time...
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I agree.(cherish the moment.)
Most people,whatever their religious belief,would like the chance to live out their lives in peace,raise their families,have a decent job and enjoy good health.When I criticise christianity on this forum,it's to point out that islam or any other religion doesn't have a monopoly on looniness or violence.
Fortunately there are more good people than bad in the world.Perhaps it's better to think of the glass as being half-full...that there are more people who are prepared to help and share than not.
In the us,this is called "communism" or "liberalism".
As the us is generally described as a "liberal democracy" (and there can be no kind of democracy other than a liberal one) the denigration of "liberals" by the reperblicans on this forum makes me wonder at their motivation.I wonder,do they also disagree with Adam Smith (a self-described liberal)?


P.S. If you insist on eating a fish that even other fish won't eat,you should try to counter the effects by regularly flushing the system with plenty of water.The addition of malt,hops and yeast will make this more palatable.



In addition I prefer the glass to be completely full......of beer,that is, and delivered to me by a healthy busted "Beer Winch".
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You empty headed animal food trough wiper!I fart in your general direction!Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
So go away or I shall taunt you a second time...

Baby, you do understand that repeating the same taunts that I made to you is just lame.
You get an 8 for substance-Holy Grail is a great movie.
But you get a 0 for initiative. And 0 for creativity.
Next time try taunts that haven't been used in the last year, that'll make it seem like you as least tried.

Now, please provide the name of the newspaper that caused rioting by printing a cartoon of Jesus.
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Baby, you do understand that repeating the same taunts that I made to you is just lame.
You get an 8 for substance-Holy Grail is a great movie.
But you get a 0 for initiative. And 0 for creativity.
Next time try taunts that haven't been used in the last year, that'll make it seem like you as least tried.

Now, please provide the name of the newspaper that caused rioting by printing a cartoon of Jesus.
...and you get 0 for accuracy.I merely corrected something which you had misquoted.Can you get anything right?
Where did I ever claim that a newspaper had caused rioting by by printing a cartoon of jesus?
I didn't.Neither did anyone else on this thread.

How about showing us where a moslem newspaper printed cartoons of jesus?
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Christianity is a religion of peace,understanding and tolerance.If you don't agree with this,I bomb your country,fire cruise missiles at it,destroy its infrastructure and kill thousands of civilians.
"Love thy neighbour"?

You compared Islam with Christianity. I said I don't recall anyone rioting because of cartoons of Jesus, and I challenged you to find such an instance.
Still waiting.
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Or what?

Still can't do a search then?

And I didn't even see this one. What are you, in grade 4 recess?

Come on baby, either think of something original and intelligent, or its not going be any fun to make fun of you anymore.
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You compared Islam with Christianity. I said I don't recall anyone rioting because of cartoons of Jesus, and I challenged you to find such an instance.
Still waiting.
Umm...why would I be bothered to look for evidence of something that I have never asserted?
You poltroon.
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