Mail Condemns Guantanamo Abuses

Carrera

Today's Mail Opinion pulls no punches over reports of force-feeding at Guantanamo Bay. It's reported that Guantanamo prisoners were forcefully strapped to chairs and tubes inserted up their noses by prison guards. It's the first I heard of the story till today and then I found other reports.
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"According to human rights lawyer Clive Stafford Smith, the prisoners have been shackled to their beds to prevent them removing the feeding tubes that have been inserted into their noses. "The notion that a qualified medical practitioner would be prepared to supervise such a procedure (as force-feeding through a tube), goes against all medical ethics, certainly in this country," said Trevor Turner, a director of St. Bartholomew's Hospital of London.
Military authorities maintain that only 36 detainees are currently strikers -- they define a hunger striker as one who has refused at least nine meals. According to U.S. military personnel, a striker is only force-fed when his life is in danger."
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.S._fo...hunger_strikers

wolfix

I would strongly suggest to our government to remove those tubes....

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limerickman

Daily Mail are approximately 4 years too late on this story.

They (DM) were war cheerleaders as I recall.

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morelike hypocrisy.

FredC

Yet they headlined on Abu Hamza.

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stevebaby

Why do you think that?

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wolfix

Simple.... America is about freedom of choices.
Choice of religion, choice of voter preference, and choice of lifestyle.

So America chose to incarcerate this individual for a reason. This individual chose not to eat. To me , this is infringing on this individual's religious freedom. It was his choice not to eat so he can go see Allah. Our government is wrong. Pull the tube.

As far as his incarceration, the question is ......... "Is it in America'a best interest to have this guy incarcerated or running free on the street?" And that is what American's have to be concerned with. "What is in their best interests?? It's that simple.

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Carrera

The danger is when you don't put these individuals on trial. I also think POW's should be treated humanely no matter who they are. Added to that, extremists will use such instances as propaganda as they have done with Israel in the past.
If need be, lock them up but treat then according to geneva rules and everybody will support your stance.

Carrera

And with good reason. He described the U.K. as a toilet but there were minefields outside so he couldn't leave as it were. It didn't stop him picking up 500 quid a week in benefits, though.
The Brits didn't arrest Hamza anyway. They never would have acted. It was all down to an extradition order from the U.S. and I blame the authorities for funding him more than I blame him. Another typical example of why Pakistan's president is fed up with Blair harbouring extremists.

FredC

Absolute Bollacks. It was down to an agreed concensus of charges between the Police and the Crown Prosecution Service. Hamza was arrested and detained under the 1986 Public Order Act with charges, and further impending charges. Thus was remanded in Belmarsh prison.
I'm afraid that Lim will bar you from this site, and I for one will be glad to see you go. Polemics are fine, but you seem to have slipped into your stupid biased rhetoric again.

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limerickman

You're sterotyping Carerra.

I'm warning you formally now - desist or I will suspend your account.

Have I made myself clear?



That's a lie - he was arrested and detained in Belmarsh Prison.
How else can someone be tried in the British courte unless they're arrested
by British Police?

You really are a fool and I believe a racist/bigot.

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morelike hypocrisy.

EoinC

Very good, Wolfix, but doesn't the United States have a judicial system that it can use? I seem to have seen plenty of US TV shows / movies depicting Courts. I guess I was just jumping to conclusions, but I thought you might actually have some real ones over there.

wolfix

Sure, we have a judicial system. I think it is a "right' in this country for it's citizens. Citizens being the key word. Plus, the courts do get backlogged. The prisoners at Guantanamo Bay that are not citizens do not have the "rights" that are given to American citizens. What their rights are should be debated. That should be on the schedule for next years Congress.

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EoinC

So it has a "right" to incacerate-without-trial non-US citizens who are walking non-US streets?I don't see you sending your court-clogging petty criminals across to Guantanamo Bay in an effort to free up the backlog, yet you scour the World looking for potential new residents.If the agents of another Nation were to pluck you off the street, whisk you over to a lock-up on their side of the World and then inform you that you don't have any "rights" on their turf because you are not one of their citizens, would you not feel that maybe, just maybe, their claims of justice and liberty were just a little out of tune with reality?
If you have to break the rules to protect the rules, something is not quite right. The United States impresses me in a lot of its endeavours, but this is not one of them.

"Is it in America'a best interest to have this guy incarcerated or running free on the street?"

stevebaby

If non-us citizens don't have rights under us law then they have no obligation to obey it either.
In fact,non-us citizens do have rights under us law (and obligations).Citizenship has absolutely nothing to do with it.The jurisdiction is what counts.
The us itself has obligations under international law which it has repeatedly failed to comply with,particularly with regard to the treatment of prisoners of war and their right to a speedy and fair trial.The us has virtually torn up Magna Carta and habeas corpus in contravention of its own constitution,but,of course,these are all just "pieces of paper".
As Huey Long said"When fascism comes to the united states,it will come wrapped in the american flag.". Well,it's here. Imprisonment without trial and spying on its own citizens,attacks on other countries to steal their resources,deliberate killing of civilians,use of weapons of mass destruction,assassination...the us is the most dangerous rogue state in the world today.
It's time for the UN to intervene militarily,(solely to "liberate" the american people from their autocratic oppressors,of course) to bring "regime change" and introduce "democracy".

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