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World Champs - Bayley v Bos

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Old 28-06.-2006, 10:00 PM   #61
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Both Theo and Ryan are out in Japan at the moment earning pretty big money on the International keirin circuit. Both had their first races today (Wed 26th June), Bayley in Sasebo and Bos in Matsuyama. Ryan was rather more successful in his opening account.

I have links to videos of the races in the news section of my website; www.trackcycling.info (if you're reading this message some days after the event then these will have been shifted into the news archive section). The heats involving Escuredo and Ng are both well worth a watch.

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The above should read Wed 28th June, sorry!
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Old 28-06.-2006, 11:53 PM   #62
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tks mat..nice site, and nice videos.

japan keirin circuit has always intrigued me...no crowd at all hardly, yet supposedly big bucks? made for gambling i guess...perhaps like a midweek horse race, hardly anyone at the track. id love to know more about it all, what they do earn, how the 'season' is structured etc.
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Old 01-07.-2006, 01:39 AM   #63
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tks mat..nice site, and nice videos.

japan keirin circuit has always intrigued me...no crowd at all hardly, yet supposedly big bucks? made for gambling i guess...perhaps like a midweek horse race, hardly anyone at the track. id love to know more about it all, what they do earn, how the 'season' is structured etc.

It does seem to be organised almost completely for gambling. It was originally set up as a gambling sport to raise money for restructuring after WWII and I think is now used to fund hospitals and other public services. I get the impression from the limited amount I have read that it used to be quite popular as a spectator sport but the stadia themselves began to attract a seedy image and on site support dropped off, but it remains a large revenue earner nevertheless. The JKA tried to reverse the slide when constructing the Kitakyushu Media-Dome (an absolutely stunning venue, profiled in the velodrome of the month section of my site). They're going to be using it for some night meetings later in the International series so it will be interesting to observe how many turn out there.
In the recent races there have been gaps of around half an hour between each race which means you've got to be fairly avid fan to stick around for the lot.
I'm afraid I don't know about the structure of the keirin season itself or the purses involved. I only follow the multitude of World Championship discipline meets in the country, which only sporadically involve the big pros. They clearly get a lot more money than they could possibly attract via success in world track competitions because there are a lot of very, very talented athletes there. A case in point is Tomohiro Nagatsuka, an Olympic silver medalist, who is one of the fastest standing 250m riders the world has ever seen yet he doesn't even contest the Japanese selection meets any more. He was riding in Matsuyama this week and barely showed at all. The nation also has so many juniors that it is just untrue (there are some prefectures with depth rivalling all but the top track nations). They all ride time trial disciplines, but they have to in order to qualify to become a keirin rider, and its virtually all on done on the big outdoor tracks.

I don't suppose that really addresses many of the points you were asking about, looking back on it. Sorry!

Thanks for the comments, I'm glad the site is of interest.

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Old 01-07.-2006, 01:45 AM   #64
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It does seem to be organised almost completely for gambling. It was originally set up as a gambling sport to raise money for restructuring after WWII and I think is now used to fund hospitals and other public services. I get the impression from the limited amount I have read that it used to be quite popular as a spectator sport but the stadia themselves began to attract a seedy image and on site support dropped off, but it remains a large revenue earner nevertheless. The JKA tried to reverse the slide when constructing the Kitakyushu Media-Dome (an absolutely stunning venue, profiled in the velodrome of the month section of my site). They're going to be using it for some night meetings later in the International series so it will be interesting to observe how many turn out there.
In the recent races there have been gaps of around half an hour between each race which means you've got to be fairly avid fan to stick around for the lot.
I'm afraid I don't know about the structure of the keirin season itself or the purses involved. I only follow the multitude of World Championship discipline meets in the country, which only sporadically involve the big pros. They clearly get a lot more money than they could possibly attract via success in world track competitions because there are a lot of very, very talented athletes there. A case in point is Tomohiro Nagatsuka, an Olympic silver medalist, who is one of the fastest standing 250m riders the world has ever seen yet he doesn't even contest the Japanese selection meets any more. He was riding in Matsuyama this week and barely showed at all. The nation also has so many juniors that it is just untrue (there are some prefectures with depth rivalling all but the top track nations). They all ride time trial disciplines, but they have to in order to qualify to become a keirin rider, and its virtually all on done on the big outdoor tracks.

I don't suppose that really addresses many of the points you were asking about, looking back on it. Sorry!

Thanks for the comments, I'm glad the site is of interest.

Cheers,

Mat Booth (www.trackcycling.info)
I heard a story from Mike Fraysse, that Kerrin was developed because after the war they had eaten all the horses and dogs. The wealthy in Japan I have heard stay away from kerrin in favor of Sumo and other more civilized sports. Just passing along a story, dont shoot the messanger
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Old 01-07.-2006, 02:27 AM   #65
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I've just had a brief look into keirin money and Tomohiro Nagatsuka has apparently earned 134 million yen (£637,000 or just over AUS$1.5 million) in winnings since 1998 (if I have read it correctly). I think he was contracted to the JCF in 2003 and 2004 though so may not have raced then. He is 27. There were several riders racing in the International Keirin in their 40's, the oldest that I noted was 46.
I've also checked through the top 3 at this year's Japan Pro championships and Shinichi Gokan, who came third has earnings quoted at 836 million yen (nearly £4 million, or nearly AUS$10 million). I really don't know whether that is getting towards the top end of earnings or whether there are tiers beyond that.
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