Israeli: Iran bought missiles from N.Korea

limerickman

How many times have I had to remind you about the old routine?
How many times, carerra?

I'll tell you what the old routine is one last time - and then if action needs to be taken at least you won't be able to cry foul.

This thread kicked off with a piece of conjecture about missiles being supplied to Iran from Korea.
You chimed in with the usual speel : You tried to link Iran with 9/11
I asked you to stop scaremongering.
You ignored me.

Then you proceeded to take the initial unsubstantiated reports and go off on a series of tangents.
We had some waffle posted by you about about Hitler (message 20).
We had another piece of waffle from you about how great the Danish press is Yet you fail to address 11ring when he stated that the Danish press is the most conservative right wing press that there is in Europe.

Then you posted more waffle in message 38 about how America saved Europe.
Then in message 39 you waffle on about higher living standards here in Europe.
When challenged about the land lease and the US benefit derived from their being in Europe, you failed to address that issue.

Those few examples reflects what I warned you about some weeks ago.

I asked you not to post unsubstantiated messages - following on from the lies you posted about six muslims being charged with the murder of a british policewoman some weeks ago.

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morelike hypocrisy.

darkboong

That happens here in the UK on occasion too...



Sure it does, however you claimed that it was "Sacked". Such attacks on embassies go on all around the globe - including here in the UK. If attacking an Embassy with stones counts as an unstable and dangerous country then the UK is too.



You have never "seriously challenged" my views, and the only regular who got the boot here (RIP Flappy) that I tangled with certainly didn't. I suspect Flappy was banned for being an obnoxious clown rather than presenting a rational coherent argument.



You claimed that the Embassy was sacked (ie: totally overrun and optionally burnt to the ground).



I'm all for Iran not getting Nukes. However I am also all for Iran trying to accomodate it's rapidly energy needs (Oil doesn't cut it because it's due to run out and it is absolutely necessary for Iran to export it). Personally I would prefer if Nuclear energy wasn't on the table full stop, but it is, Tony Blair has even said that there's no viable alternative. If it's good enough for Tony then surely it's good enough for Iran.

The problem with you is that you state outright lies as fact in order to incite fear and hatred. You have been doing it for so long that you are unable to look at the reality of the situation - the reality being that Iran is short of energy, Iran needs to export it's oil rather than burn it for fuel, and Iran has to live day to day with Israel and America threatening to nuke it.

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Wurm

You know Carrera, I (and I'm sure others here) am quite weary of trying to explain the relatively simple facts - backed up with evidence! - to you and the other Neo Con supporters; not only on Iran, but on the whole gamut of political issues that we've covered for months now.

You've decided long since to ignore the realities and cleave to the delusional. That's your choice of course, but seriously...you're not accomplishing anything but a waste of bandwidth.

As a famous rabbit once said, "What a maroon!"

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Carrera

Hmmm, so now I'm a neo-conservative. I thought neo-conservatives were religious politicians who believed in American global dominance and were specifically religious.
I'm neither religious nor do I support unilateralism.
The difference between us is pretty simple. I don't seek to ban people I don't agree with (a stance you seem to be supporting?)
This is where I take issue. I hear a lot of people claiming they're liberals yet, in reality, they don't support free expression or secular values which is why this present government has done more to undermine democracy than the Tories ever did.
Point in question, the revered George Galloway who I discovered supported and signed a bill that would outlaw criticism of Islam in the U.K. Amazingly he passes himself successfully as some kind of champion of the people and defender of freedom. The reality is he supports repressive regimes such as those of Tehran where, I might add, most people support the death penalty for alleged blasphemy. Plus he never forgave Sivio Berlusconi simply for stating western democracy had outstripped the Arab World with regard to science, human rights, liberty and freedom.

limerickman

Carerra, the fact of the matter is that in this thread alone you have point blank refused to address the content of the replies made to you.

I have no problem with anyone being the devils advocate.

But let's be clear here - when facts are posted which contradict the claims that you make, you simply refuse to address those facts and then proceed to continue to post information which is neither factual or relevant to the discussion.

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morelike hypocrisy.

darkboong

The religion thing doesn't actually come into it at all, it is merely one of the mechanisms by which Neo-cons lead the sheep to slaughter. The Neo-cons are thinly disguised imperialists and their primary goal is to gain power.

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." - Goering



The problem is that much of what you say constitutes Slander. It is intended to malign people and it rarely (if ever) has any basis in fact. When you refuse or ignore requests for a source you are simply leaving yourself wide open to valid accusations of Slander.

The UK has laws governing that kind of stuff (note the recent addition of the offence of incitement of racial hatred), you can do serious time for such an offence. ISPs & Message boards do bear some responsibility for their content, so it is only natural (and proper) that an Admin should take issue with posters who systematically abuse the the law.



A lot of folks here are branded Liberal for refusing to go along with the George Bush Uber Alles line. Few people here claim that they are liberal...



Ah, that'll be the incitement of racial hatred thing... Indeed, I think that legislation is too heavy handed (poorly worded and existing legislation was adequate IMO)...



How, precisely, does he support those allegedly "repressive" regimes ? Does he dip into his pocket and donate a few billion a year say ? Or does he simply argue against using violence against them ?

For example, I am against capital punishment, but that doesn't mean I am "pro-criminal".



That's not quite what Berlusconi said.

Anyway, can you please tell me what evidence you have to assert that Iran is "Dangerous" and "Unstable" ?

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FredC

Carrera is the reason why I don't post on Soapbox any longer, he's such an arse, with his continuous diet of false unsubstantiated scribblings, and falsities.

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darkboong

No need to mention his falsies.

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Carrera

Then what does that say about your fortitude of character? You outnumber me 5 to 1 and you claim you don't post because you don't agree with my opinions? You form a majority and I'm the minority yet I seem to hold my ground and you cry "Foul!"
You're hardly in such a minority position your situation is intolerable.

Carrera

Whose messages are unsubstantiated? Who says my information is unsubstantiated?
Have you ever asked yourself where all the regulars are lately, specifically the American posters? Haven't seen Colorado Rider knocking about for a while or many of the others. In fact, I seem to recall scores of people coming out not too long ago and stating they, more or less, view me as a moderate. That is, virtually nobody apart from Fred had a particular problem with any of my views.
Above you highlight various points, America's role in WW2, North Korea, Denmark e.t.c. Then you state my views on these topics are against the rules of the forum? Let's get this straight: Stating views that don't agree with your own are against forum rules?
That has to be a first.
Maybe you could supply us all of a list of the soapbox rules so we all know where we stand.
For example, if someone states Lance Armstrong didn't win the TDF due to doping and you don't agree, is that an unsubstantiated claim. Should the guy who disagrees be banned?

Carrera

"Anyway, can you please tell me what evidence you have to assert that Iran is "Dangerous" and "Unstable" ?"

The answer to that one is a resounding, 'Nope!' No comment.
The truth is, Darkboong, you can't seem to stand your ground in any serious debate without the need for someone to censor the opposition. This has been the case for quite some time, with regard to some of the American posters and, sure, Zapper springs to mind as well.
A number of people have clashed with you verbally in the past and either their posts are deleted or they are banned for apparently making unsubstantiated claims i.e. challenging your ideas.
So, I'll happily leave you to chat with your own cosy circle where everybody agrees with what you say and there is no opposition, challenge or serious debate.
In my view you just can't hack it and I consider this discussion closed.

limerickman

I say that they're unsubstantiated : you posted unsubstantiated messages about muslims killing a british policewoman, for example.

I am not prepared to list out all of the issues that where you have posted unsubstiated stuff - I did so to you privately weeks ago.




I didn't say that stating views was against the forum.

What I said was that you posted unsubstantiated information - when challenged on that information with facts by other posters, you deliberately either ignore the reply from the poster or you attempt to change the subject.

Yesterday, in this thread alone, I highlighted three replies that you made where you either ignored replies made to you or you tried to change the subject or you introduced content which had no relevance whatsoever to the discussion.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

In other words, you cannot substantiate your claim to Iran being "dangerous" and "unstable".

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Carrera

No further comment due to censorship rules.
Please carry on without me.
Hasta la vista!