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Old 25-05.-2006, 06:12 PM   #16
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What I can tell you that's sad is Don King did time, got a half-decent education in prison then went out to make a fortune producing the Ali Foreman classic in Zaire. However, he ripped of fighters such as Tyson. He made off with Tyson's earnings so Mike apparently punched him after he realised he'd been used.
I do recommend Chris Eubank's biography to you which features his learning of the trade of boxing in New York. I quite like Chris Eubank despite public opinion. He does and says stupid things but he's a real English gentleman and very well read for a boxer. Sadly his wife divorced him due to his highly eccentric behaviour which included driving his pickup into a building to protest over Iraq.
I noticed Chris was present to watch young Amir Khan fight the other night.


Read Eubanks book - and I agree it's very good.
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I liked the bit where he went abroad and was warned not to drink the water but what he didn't know is his salad had been washed in the local water. In the morning he's jogging with his entourage and hears a rumbling in his gut.
After that, it's an all out sprint back to the hotel, through the lobby upstairs (as the lift isn't working) and a crazy dash for the toilet. You can imagine this boxer suddenly bursting into the hotel running for his life.
I've had that experience myself.
I did agree with Chris's complaint that Rowntrees should bring "Treats" back and I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who has a great love of chocolate and sweets.
If you haven't read it yet, Frank Bruno also wrote an account of his boxing career and temporary internment due to mental health problems. That was an interesting read as well.

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My outlook on all of this has changed somewhat. I agree with you that Bush and Blair have taken extremely flawed decisions that led to the deaths of thousands of people and caused terrible suffering. However, I don't feel so sure that the way to go is to assume a moral high-ground and simply insult those who you don't agree with - especially when it comes to making sexual taunts at any political leader.
The thing is, will Madonna's actions really lead Bush to think about his culpability in Iraq? Will it convince him to rethink some of those decisions? I think he's more likely to actually listen to Lance Armstrong who seemed to come down to earth to actually communicate his anti-war sentiment. Bob Geldof also tried similar tactics and may have gotten further than Madonna.

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Apropos. Bush and his crew have done everything to deserve it, and he belongs in that company. The things he and his admin. are responsible for are much more shocking than anything Madonna could pull off.

Not so sure about Blair though. He's bad enough from the Iraq war involvement, but he's not quite the war criminal and traitor (yet) that Bush is.

What "shocks" me is why so-called "Christians" and "conservatives" aren't extremely offended by the actions of BushCo. I guess that's why they're also known as hypocrites.
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The thing is, will Madonna's actions really lead Bush to think about his culpability in Iraq? Will it convince him to rethink some of those decisions?
I doubt The Cretin From Crawford was her intended audience.
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