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Having spent the last year or so listening to various damnations of Bush and his Administration on this site, I figured I'd like to ask a question and here it is:
If you personally met George W Bush what would you actually say and how would you act? Would you shake Bush's hand out of politeness and then state your views over the Iraq war? Would you refuse to shake Bush's hand altogether? Would you be sufficiently bold enough to speak your mind? I noticed a lot of activists have actually met George W Bush and the meetings have been pretty moderate. Bob Geldof kept it all very polite and attempted to convince Bush of the need to eliminate poverty in Africa. Muhammad Ali gave a strange response. He went along with some joke sparring with Bush for a photo but then he pointed his finger at his head and made a gesture - signifying Bush was possibly deranged. Lance went so far as to go cycling with Bush on the ranch and very possibly he would have aired his views. What would you say to Bush is what I'm wondering?
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He's on his arrogant agenda and isn't about to budge, therefore no matter what you said to the a$$hole, it wouldn't make a whit of difference. So IMO your questions are moot.
As for me, I wouldn't be in the same room with him, unless I were able to give him a dose of what his minions gave those at Gitmo and Abu Gharab.
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I agree with Wurm, but I'd like to tell him how embarassing it feels to be an American now. I feel the need be apologetic to foreigners and say that I don't torture people or drive a Hummer.
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Myself, I thought about it a lot which is why I raised the topic. I wondered if I would actually shake Bush's hand in a meeting. Initially, I figured I'd turn away and be quite rude by refusing a handshake e.t.c.
Now, I have changed that view. I believe I would accept a polite handshake and would keep things polite. The reason is simple to understand: I agree with Bob Gelfof that you need to get off your high-horse in life and engage those you disagree with. I think this offers a greater possibility of bringing about some change. For example, when Bush was reported as saying he was going to watch the Live Aid Concert on T.V, Gelfof basically told him he was welcome to watch. The hope was Bush would genuinely think about poverty in Africa and be won over to a change of direction. I know this sounds very flowery and naieve but I think assuming total moral superiority never helps. Sadly not much has been done for Africa so far. Quote:
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During the 2004 Presidential race I did get a chance to have a solo moment for about 5 minutes with Howard Dean.....It was in the spring preceding the election and he was meeting the regional state members. I was there with my gf who is very active in Democratic politics. After Deans speech I went upstairs from the hall and sat at the coffee bar. Dean left the meeting and came up and sat at the coffeebar with me. Just him and me. His speech at the meeting was about the agenda he carired for state run health care. So when he sat down I had to ask...... " Have you ever met Ben or Jerry ?" {Of Ben and Jerry fame . Vermont.}
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If I was in proximity to Bush - I would not meet him.
No disrespect to the Office of the President of the United States or the American people - but that man Bush is a warmonger and I would therefore have to ignore him totally. I do not believe that him or his policies represent the American people. He is a disgrace to the office of President of the USA and the American people.
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it may be nice to go up to him and turn your back to him in a sign of disrespect.
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Do you really know what you would do if you invited to meet the President? Back during the Ronny R' era my family was invited to the White House as part of a small group of businessmen. I couldn't make the trip as I had finals that week. But the experience was great as reported by my sister.
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As much as I hate the concept of "big brother" the internet has completely blown the thing out of porportion. There are those that have the chicken little syndrome....... They love to scream the worst case situations but rarely do they materialize. A good case in point is the subject of Bush using Nuclear weapons. Of course the military looked at that and 1000 other ways. He is not the first President to do so, and will not be the last. People love to blame the government for things that are their own fault. Last night I overheard 2 individuals who were bitching about the price of gas...... but they drove to the place in huge SUV's. The only place the average person has noticed anything from the stance our government has taken since 9/11 is the long lines at the airport. The world is changing for Americans. I would love to ask the liberal forum readers on here what they would do to try and ensure that the American people are safe from terrorism on our shores. And do not use the excuse that the American policys are the reasons for the terrorism. The hatred of the west is for many other reasons too.....And that hatred is spread among European countries too..... And to you on here that feels the need to apologize to other nationalities, do so in your name only. You and your inferiority complex do not represent me.
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i would shake his hand and say, "job well done!".
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I'd shake his hand and then say, "please, please stay on vacation in Crawford for the rest of your term and bring your friends down to hang with!!!!"
Sometimes no action is better than "lots of action at the OK corral"......whatever happened the good old days of "do nothing presidents?" ![]()
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I would say, espedially after his rather good, in my opinion; broadcast speech/meeting w/ PM Blair:
Well thats all very fine & dandy "wordsmanship "BUT, actions speak louder than words!!! When will you put country in front of party He will appear to do so before the '06 elections, no doubt ![]()
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Why is Europe also a target? As if Europe is a sqeaky clean example of anti-imperialism. Britian- Egypt, France - Algeria, Belgium- Congo etc. etc. etc.
And many so-called liberal european countries governemnts, like denmark, who like to mouth of about muslims, also have troops in Iraq. And now criticicng your government is due to an inferiority complex! Actaully it is a superiority complex. I think we could do a superior job to this collective waste of space we call our governments. Use your fu%ing brain. [ And do not use the excuse that the American policys are the reasons for the terrorism. The hatred of the west is for many other reasons too.....And that hatred is spread among European countries too..... And to you on here that feels the need to apologize to other nationalities, do so in your name only. You and your inferiority complex do not represent me.[/QUOTE] |
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And what would i say to Bush?
Welcome to the revolution. We have a new job for you. There are some sewers in Iraq that need repairs. Off you go. Before we blow your testicles off. Quote:
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Technically you're correct - the Office of the President represents the people of the USA. I don't believe that Bush's policy and his occupancy of that office - represents the people of the USA. Quote:
I disagree. I know that many of the Americans I meet are upset at the fact that the USA invaded and occupied another country. Quote:
I haven't formed my view about Bush or the war based upon the internet. I am dealing with American nationals through business and other contacts. These people could well be only telling me what I may wish to hear - but 9 out of 10 of them disagree with Bush, his policies and the invasion and occupation of Iraq (and some of these are Republicans too). Quote:
Wolf, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, your country has been interferring with the internal affairs of many Middle Eastern countries for years. People in these countries aren't stupid - they see what US foreign policy has been doing through the use of proxy forces in Afghanistan (1980's), Central and Souther America (Contra rebels, support of dictaotors like Noriega), support for despots in the Far East (Marcos). America can argue that support of these regimes and people was in the USA's best interests. At the very least the USA's activities in various locations around the world give justification to those who advocate resistence. In respect of Europe - for sure the imperialist past of countries causes resentment. However the only country currently in imperialist mode appears to be the USA.
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