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29-05.-2006, 05:05 AM

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Re: What Would "You" Say To Bush?

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Originally Posted by wolfix

I don't know what 3rd world country you live in, but the people in America are not that upset. People are going about their business as usual.The economy has been on a 8 year boom and looks as if it is going to continue. People in America use their political systems to cause change. We have representitive government here. As far as Venezuela , Mr Chavez is digging himself a financial hole. His spending is starting to get out of control. He no longer has the US giving his country 10% of his countries GNP. He has a very limited time to direct his government into power in his government. He has insurgents on his borders causing him stress.

Again ...... Do they have television where you live? Because i do not see any signs of it at all.

8 year boom ? 8 year boom ?

I don't see that - and in fact the statistics don't show that either.
Your country's running a trade deficit, a balance of payment deficit, a federal budget deficit, your country's currency is continuing to devalue.
Your country is shipping jobs too.
Since 2001, your country's economic performance has been very poor.

As the recently departed Senator Lloyd Bentsen said "we can't keep writing post dated cheques".

As regards Mr Chavez - because his country's economy is oil based, his country's GDP and GNP is growing steadily.
Venezuela doesn't have large deficits like your country.

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29-05.-2006, 06:51 AM

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Re: What Would "You" Say To Bush?

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Looking back at the time when the war was being discussed, there were many others including his opponents that saw the same info he had.

And that "same info" was - as we have known for some time now - a pack of lies generated by Bu$hCo.*

Funny how once again, wolfux doesn't mention that small detail.

*See the Downing Street Memos, among many other sources.

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29-05.-2006, 11:59 AM

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Re: What Would "You" Say To Bush?

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Precisely. That is a VERY IMPORTANT POINT, conveniently overlooked by Bush's "lock-step" adherents

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29-05.-2006, 12:06 PM

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To put it bluntly, the US empire is in seriouse dange of falling apart.

It is our responsibility to both speed up that collapse and ensure that progressive alternatives assume the leadership of the anti-imperialist movements.

Exactly. To wit: (from Decl. of Indep.):

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That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness

29-05.-2006, 12:11 PM

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You are correct here it would appear. However, many country's are economically embedded to our well being. Some in Europe, no

29-05.-2006, 12:41 PM

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The two leading indictators of the economy in the US are housing starts and the unemployment rate. The unemployment rate is at less then 5%. Any thing below 6% is historically rare. Housing starts just finished the biggest boom over the last 8 years in American history. I know my area which was hard hit in the 80's is booming.
But to me the best indictator of a solid economy is the opposing party is not talking about the economy.

Venezuela does not even have the GNP of my state. Mr Chavez has borrowed tremendously towards future sales of oil. . Much of his oil has been sold at the current price rates. If the price of oil goes down, he may have to seek another job. You don't go from a 3rd world country to a economic success in 6 months. And his entire country is based on oil and cocaine. He is now experiencing trouble from the Columbian insurgents on his border.

Chavez's rhetoric has scared most investors. He needs investors. The countrys that he is seeking out are countries in general that have problems of their own....

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29-05.-2006, 01:56 PM	#37
snapdragen Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 10	Re: What Would "You" Say To Bush? I would refuse to meet him, I would not shake his hand.

29-05.-2006, 04:59 PM

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I just spent about a hour and a half responding to this and then somehow it was deleted....... I hate that....

yep thats happens to me too.

once you have written your reply but before you actually hit the submit button, copy all your text to the clip board by choosing Edit in your browser and then > Select All then Edit again then Copy. Now press submit. That way if your post gets lost you simply right-click in this box and choose paste. Your message will be pasted here.

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29-05.-2006, 06:37 PM

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That assumes wolfux has something worthwhile to post.

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30-05.-2006, 05:47 AM

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In a nutshell, the trouble with the U.S. isn't so much Americans are a bad lot. Compared with other Empires, the U.S.A. doesn't compare so badly - less ruthless than the Romans, for example.
However, what the U.S. administrations do seem to seriously lack is understanding of other cultures and geographical factors, added to a reckless habit of rushing into war - America's undoing in many ways.
I was only reading the other day how close we came to war under Clinton when British troops had been requested to head Russian troops off on their way to Pristina during the Serbian war. The Americans had asked the British army to stop the Russians and the Brits had refused to get drawn into a complex and dangerous situation. They refused to confront Russian troops.
This was merely a ragtag army of exhausted Russian soldiers heading to Pristina but the Americans simply didn't seem aware how tense the situation was at the time of the bombing of the Chinese Embassy of Belgrade. I think that if the U.S. had openly humiliated that ragtag army of straggling Russian troops, there would have been outrage amongs the Russian nationalists and hardliners.
As the Brits stated at the time, America could have triggered a Third World War.
Now we see how tough it is to stop the Iraq War escalating into regional war but war with Russian and China would have been a whole new scenario and quite beyond comparison to the Gulf. As a friend of mine once remarked, "War is easily started but very difficult to end."

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I'm not so sure that Bush is that far off the mark with Iraq. Looking back at the time when the war was being discussed, there were many others including his opponents that saw the same info he had. To this day Hilary Clinton has not spoke out against the war, only that it was not handled the way she would have handled it... And Hilary Clinton is the Democratic Party. Kerry, Gore, Kennedy all are of little importance to the Democratic Party when you look at it's future. I said this before, and I know I am right when you look at the 2004 election..... Hilary Clinton engineered the defeat of the Democrats on purpose. At the time the Democrats were unsure that Hilary could defeat Bush. She decided not to run. It was her nomination if she asked. When Kerry ran, Hilary never really supported him, only gave him token support when she was forced to. She spoke many times of Bush and agreed with many of the things he did. Bill Clinton was hospitalized before the election and only spoke good things of Kerry when it was too late.
If Kerry would have won, Hilary was finished as a politician. She would never have gotten the chance to run for President again. Hilary is only interested in the White House. It was in her best interest for Kerry to be defeated. And again...... Hilary is the Democratic Party.

So I have to ask myself as we see Hilary settting herself up to run in 2008. {All the signs are there.} Why is she not speaking out against the war , and mainly she has never really suggested we were wrong for going. The other Democrats have said they were fed bad info by Bush, but that really is nothing but a political stand. I know the liberals think all the Democrats are against the war , but they forget that "labor" make up the largest voting force of the Democratic Party. And most labor is for the war. The liberals think too highly of themselves as they are really a small voting block in the party.

So again I ask myself..... what does Hilary know that others may not. We sometimes forget that she was in the White House and was privy to more sensitive information then all the other Democrats combined. There are stories out there that she even had info blocked that was supposed to go to Gore when he was VP. It is no secret the Clintons could not tolerate the Gores. Hilary made it a point on numerous occassions to prevent Al Gore from even being in her presence. Al Gore embarressed the Clintons.
Hialry Clinton is a smart lady. She may be the smartest politically of all politicians at the moment.

The opinions of other countries really matter little to the US and never really have. They can speak loudly now, but give them a few years when they need a favor and they are smiling that smile again. The important thing to me as an American is not the welfare of other nations if it interfers with the welfare of Americans. That is not to say I want bad things to happen to anyone, but I want my politicians to look out for me. But then that very same thing can be said about every other country. It's just that the US has more say in international politics then most.

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30-05.-2006, 11:31 AM	#41
Fixey Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 634	Re: What Would "You" Say To Bush? I would not shake his hand. I would tell him that he should be locked up like all other criminals and that he is a disgrace as a politition and a failure as a man.

30-05.-2006, 01:37 PM

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Re: What Would "You" Say To Bush?

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I would not shake his hand. I would tell him that he should be locked up like all other criminals and that he is a disgrace as a politition and a failure as a man.

I knew it

You're going "easy" on him

30-05.-2006, 04:55 PM	#43
MountainPro Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: SCOTLAND...you know it. Posts: 3,015	Re: What Would "You" Say To Bush? would you like some pretzels with that beer, mr president, sir. you know Alaska has huge oil reserves, and rumour has it the oppressive regime up there is just terrible...you cant shoot a polar bear anymore without being reprimanded. seriously though, i would like to see him on Newsnight with J Paxman. __________________ HARD .

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