What would you say about Bush?

Billsworld

With both houses and the white house, I think more should have been done to change the tax code, immagration, welfare reform etc.. All income levels pay way too much taxes, and the neo con, country club conservatives are doing business the same old washington way, tax and SPEND. His base has left him because of lack of tax reform and his lack of border controll. As far as the left wing Iraq theories. Mostly hogwash. 911 and the Afganasthan War and Iraq would have been a non issue had Clinton pulled the trigger when he had Osama in his sights . Instead he was on he telli asking his lawers for the OK. 3rd year gpa 1.5

Eldron

The really ironic part is that nearly 50% of americans/just over 50% of americans/whatever % of americans (pick your comment) voted for the guy.

I wonder what that figure is now?

Billsworld

The problem is that those of us that believe in freedom, capitalism(free markets),achievement , work, national pride, a strong military etc.. have few choices. Hold your nose, close your eyes and vote for Repubs. Give them the same two choices and youll still get a similar result. Its the communist against the country club repub.

Wurm

I think the degradations are a little more discreet than just black or white, at least they are outside of bill's "You're either with us or against us" world.

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"Bush is the first President to admit to an impeachable offense."

- John Dean, former Counsel to the President (Nixon)

The aim of big corporations is to separate fools from their money all of the time and ordinary folks from their money most of the time. The rest of us must fend for ourselves.

Wurm

And which "Iraq theories" would they be? Oh wait!...HERE'S the answer:

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"Bush is the first President to admit to an impeachable offense."

- John Dean, former Counsel to the President (Nixon)

The aim of big corporations is to separate fools from their money all of the time and ordinary folks from their money most of the time. The rest of us must fend for ourselves.

Billsworld

Its tough to clean up after 8 years of leadership from a clown such as Clinton. Its going to be even harder to pay the bills after this past 8 years. We have spoke of this before. There is a void of common sense guiding PRINCIPALS in DC......The left would like to believe that Iraq is the cause of GWs disapearing base, but it is not. His base expected radical tax reform , cuts in spending and more recently border controll. The lefties have no interest in any of that, therefore you are under the false belief that conservatives are thinking about Iraq is his problem. His base is gone because he didnt follow through on his promises and didnt show any leadership in those areas. His base is ok with Iraq. Sorry no shades of grey

limerickman

That's revisionist a best. And deluded at worst.

Look at your country - it's economic performance is that of an economic basket case.

Your country's operating a trade deficit (in simple terms it imports far more than it exports), operating a balance of payments deficit (in simple terms there is more money going out of the country, than coming in to the country),
operates a federal budget deficit, your country's currency is dying a slow death on the international foreign exchange markets, and unemployment fluctuates between 4.5 - 5.0% (and that only accounts for those who are eligible to claim - and not those who have been unemployed more than 6 months). Your country is losing jobs to countries abroad.

This slippage has been in effect since 2001.
It's 2006 today.
How a country could turn around a trade surplus (Clinton), balance of payments surplus (Clinton), federal budget surplus (Clinton), a historic low unemployment rate (3.5%) in to this mess under Bush, beggars belief!

Bush is a lame duck president - but unfortunately the US electorate has the
target shooting ability of Dick Cheney!

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Thaibiker

uh, just a quick history lesson here: a) Clinton left a budget *surplus* (which he painstakingly managed to create from a *deficit* left by *fiscally conservative* white house predecessors b) a report for incoming Bush on terrorism listing Osama bin Laden as "a major threat" which was essentially ignored (Condi Rice so testified in Congress)

No, the mess from this past 6 years has been much more severe and perhaps irreversible. As Mr. T would say, I "pity the poor fool" who gets in next time.

Oh, and the Clinton "had Osama in his sights" is a patently false urban legend spread by conservative talk show hosts. I suggest to anyone who believes that nonsense that a cursory read of the Sept. 11 Commission Report will categorically debunk it soundly.

Billsworld

Ill respond to my quick history lessons to remind you all who controlled both houses and kept the taxing and spendind in check. Another quick history lesson. Are you going to give Clinton the credit for the inernet explosion? If you do, try giving him credit for the bust too. The massive surplus was related to booming high tech and tax revenue from it. Oddly enough the Repubs that preached low taxes and free markets while Clinton was in , are now spending like never before.

limerickman

The internet explosion as you refer to it - was a phenomenon of the private sector.
I presume that you can distinguish between public sector and private sector?
Goverments have direct control of policies that affect balance of payments, trade deficits, foreign currency exchange controls : what influence a goverment might have on indirect issues like business cycles is more opaque.

The massive surplus that the US enjoyed was down to several issues : the creation of a "business friendly" marco envoriment, globalisation, NAFTA, more equitable tax structure, competitive dollar.

It's more than coincidental that the US since 2001 has had a balance of payments deficit, trade deficit, a depreciating dollar, unemployment growth.
This is down to inept economic policies of a goverment that hasn't got a clue.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Billsworld

Dot com boom....whatever you want to call it gave Clinton the revenue and the resulting credit for the good years.The cycle was well into the downturn as Bush was sworn in.

Thaibiker

If that were the case, the revenue would have increased exponentially in recent years. E-commerce is orders of magnitude larger than it was in Clinton's day - and that's the part of the Internet that is fueling revenues

Billsworld

It wasnt simply revenue from that sector, it was the money made in the stock market that people used to build Mcmansions, buy cars,take vacations etc. Wait a second...... You guys are really giving Clinton the credit. At first I thought it was a subttle implication.....Come on your not all that dumb?

Thaibiker

And no, the problem with Iraq was collosally poor planning and an inability (critical inability in this administration) to examine consequences. Regardless of what you think of the WMD rub-a-dub, this administration couldn't even figure out how to get the lights on in Bagdad once the shooting stopped!