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13-06.-2006, 12:01 PM

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The subject Wurm started with is What would you say about Bush. For reasons other than the rest of you, I gave a grade of D or 1.5 gpa. I am what you would define as one of his base. In giving reasons other than the Dan Rather, NY Times, leftie circle jerk, Iraq, Iraq , Iraq crap found here I am telling you why his base has evaporated. The majority of working humans are conservative as a means of survival. We, the majority expected more from GW

Well, Clinton's conversion to a fiscal conservative is well documented in the inside account of the early White House years by Bob Woodward in The Agenda. Clinton met with Alan Greenspan and was persuaded that bringing the deficit into line was a top priority, even if it meant abandoning some of the planned programs.

The reason Clinton was able to be persuaded is that he's not an ideologue. He is a thoughtful, pragmatic politician, who sought opinions from all sides and considered them carefully. In short, all the things that make a great leader and all the things that George W. Bush is not.

Yes, a healthy economy helped and Clinton can only take partial credit for that. But, one does have to ask oneself how it was that tax cut-and spend Republicans (read Reagan and Bush, the marginally competent one) managed a $4 trillion deficit despite a booming economy during that era?

It has taken a few short years for Bush and a Republican Congress to put things in the toilet again.

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13-06.-2006, 12:04 PM

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Re: What would you say about Bush?

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Well, Clinton's conversion to a fiscal conservative is well documented in the inside account of the early White House years by Bob Woodward in The Agenda. Clinton met with Alan Greenspan and was persuaded that bringing the deficit into line was a top priority, even if it meant abandoning some of the planned programs.

Yes, a healthy economy helped and Clinton can only take partial credit for that. But, one does have to ask oneself how it was that tax cut-and spend Republicans (read Reagan and Bush, the marginally competent one) managed a $4 trillion deficit despite a booming economy during that era?

It has taken a few short years for Bush and a Republican Congress to put things in the toilet again.

Good point. I can't figure these guys out either

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13-06.-2006, 12:05 PM	#48
Thaibiker Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 42	Re: What would you say about Bush? billsworld: conservative as "a means of survival"? So, supporting the party that has promoted the virtual elimination of labor unions and the minimum wage, sent the sons and daughters of working class families to die in a foreign land AND given tax breaks to the super-rich at the expense of the lower and middle classes is a "means of survival" for the normal guy? With friends of the working class like that ... One of the truly great political mysteries is how so-called Reagan Democrats (ie., working class joes) were persuaded to vote against their own interests - repeatedly and still to this day! It's astounding! Last edited by Thaibiker : 13-06.-2006 at 01:09 PM.

13-06.-2006, 12:48 PM

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one of the great political mysteries of all times is how so-called Reagan Democrats (ie., working class) were persuaded to vote against their own interests. It's really quite astounding!

It's not such a big mystery, it's simply that Average Mom & Pop have believed the lies and spin put out by the Main Stream Media, who are bought-and-paid-for tools of the right -wing, ie: "if they say it on the 6 O'Clock News, it must be true."

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13-06.-2006, 05:54 PM

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It wasnt simply revenue from that sector, it was the money made in the stock market that people used to build Mcmansions, buy cars,take vacations etc. Wait a second...... You guys are really giving Clinton the credit. At first I thought it was a subttle implication.....Come on your not all that dumb?

It's obvious that you're way out of your depth here and haven't got a clue about economics.
Unless the statistics lie, it clearly evident that the Bush presidency, which has been a disaster in many respects, has completely capitulated in terms of economic and fiscal management.

I identified the confluence of factors managed by the Clinton administration that gave a golden economic period for the USA (1994-2000).

This current administration has squandered that golden legacy through it's ineptitude and incompetence.

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13-06.-2006, 05:59 PM

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Excellent post : and I think you hit the nail on the head "Clinton was not an ideologue".
That is the secret of good management : it's the ability to absorb information and to change strategy in order to make the best decision for everyone and not to stick with an idea, just for the sake of it.

The fact of the matter is the majority of Americans will be under the kosh of federal debt/high taxation for years to come.
If someone had outlined that prospect in 2000, they'd be laughed out of it.

13-06.-2006, 06:01 PM

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One of the truly great political mysteries is how so-called Reagan Democrats (ie., working class joes) were persuaded to vote against their own interests - repeatedly and still to this day! It's astounding!

......doesn't astound me, I have to say.
The lack of funding for education is the root of the problem over there.

13-06.-2006, 06:04 PM

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......doesn't astound me, I have to say.
The lack of funding for education is the root of the problem over there.

Yeah, remember Congress and the President discussing "how best to spend the surplus"? Now, 6 years later, Congress has just raised the ceiling on the deficit to $8 billion - twice what it was when Clinton took office! Gosh, how time flies!

13-06.-2006, 06:06 PM

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whoops! that would be trillion with a 't'. mea culpa.

13-06.-2006, 06:12 PM

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2 billion surplus (2000) to an 8 billion deficit : 10 billion difference.

I have little sympathy for the American public - they voted that clown back in and you only get what you pay for, as they say.

They knew that he was making a balls of their economy, they knew he started a war on atissue of lies, they knew that everything he said was a pack of lies yet the still chose to elect him.

The issue for me is that there is commentary in the financial papers that this mess could trigger a very serious economic crisis for the rest of the world.
As it now stands, we're (the rest of the world) now having to fund the US deficit.
I am not interesting in owning a piece of Virginia when it comes to collection time.

13-06.-2006, 06:17 PM

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ok, an american trillion - a british billion. i'm not positive america voted this guy in twice - certainly not the first time and quite possible (as we are finding out) not the second. but this moron belonged in the 10-20% range of the vote. there are always at least that percentage of complete nutballs who can fill out a ballot.

13-06.-2006, 06:24 PM

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He got 3m extra votes at the 2004 election (according to the figures)
That's why I have no sympathy with the US electorate : more people voted for him this time round.
It's not as if they didn't know what they were getting either.

13-06.-2006, 08:29 PM

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Re: What would you say about Bush?

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I am not interesting in owning a piece of Virginia when it comes to collection time.

Virginia

Hey, wait a second, that's my state

You do know it's a "red-state", although, we put a Democratic Governor in last time @

13-06.-2006, 08:33 PM

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Virginia

Hey, wait a second, that's my state

You do know it's a "red-state", although, we put a Democratic Governor in last time @

OK : I wasn't trying to insult anyone by mentioning Virginia.

I'm not interested in owning any part of any State (although I hear/read that wine growing region of Ca. is beautiful for cycling!!)

13-06.-2006, 08:36 PM

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Re: What would you say about Bush?

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It boggles the mind that we have enough nincompoops to reelect the guy

This is not, however taking into acct. the fact that the voting machine manufacturers are openly republican as are a great many "red" &/or "border-state" poll workers.

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Voting Machine Controversy
by Julie Carr Smyth

COLUMBUS - The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

The Aug. 14 letter from Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc. - who has become active in the re-election effort of President Bush - prompted Democrats this week to question the propriety of allowing O'Dell's company to calculate votes in the 2004 presidential election.

http://www.google.com/search?q=repu...voting+machines

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