What would you say about Bush?

davidmc

I was being facetious You are welcome here

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limerickman

Thanks for the link, Dave.

Ok, I wasn't aware of the problems with e.voting.
I had read about Ohio and who can forget the fiasco in Florida in 2000.
Your link suggests otherwise.

Incidentally they tried introducing e.voting here but the testing of the program (a program developed in the USA, I might add) was deemed to be inaccurate.
In addition, knowing what the result should be - in a test scenario - not only were the results wrong but there wasn't even a paper trail to try to authenticate what the result should have been.
Needless to say e.voting was never introduced here.

Pen and paper, i say.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Thaibiker

In some places, they would call what happened in 2000 a "coup d'etat." How can we forget the "voters" who stormed the recount in Florida (all later identified as Republican party operatives) and shut down the process? I mean, Hitler would have been proud. What's next, burning the Reichstag - uh, I mean Congress - and blaming the Democrats?? The below is a thoroughly researched article that is evidence of a hull hash of irregularities in 2004, including good-ole fashioned Third World ballot box stuffing on behalf of Bush.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/st...election_stolen

Billsworld

Ive got my raincoat, on continue the circle jerk.......BTW I was an econ major 20=+ yrs ago. When you start to believe Econ spin by either party your in trouble. I would love to give you real world examples of financing and developing large reale estate projects or running a company that you own , but I lack the time. The current tax code and spending patterns of the US is choking out the engine that pays the bills. Put your house and everything you own on the line , employ 30-50 guys and the give me this lefty elitist theory of how the econ works. The people that make it work take risks and sometimes we win and sometimes we loose. Your theories are from books and proffesors.

Thaibiker

how convenient to lack the time to defend your half-baked notion of the world. It's great you "majored" in econ. You should have taken a degree in common sense.

Wurm

Billsworld has trouble acknowledging the reality of what Der Fuhrer Bush & his fascist cronies have wrought.

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The aim of big corporations is to separate fools from their money all of the time and ordinary folks from their money most of the time. The rest of us must fend for ourselves.

limerickman

This isn't about believing either party.

You claim to have graduated studying economics 20 years ago.
So presumably you understand things like Balance of payments?, Trade statistics?, elasticity of demand/supply?, inflation?, monetary and fiscal theory?, GDP?, GNP?, CPI?

I don't know how you can attempt to suggest that statistics produced by your own goverment agencies is "spin by either party".

The fact of the matter is that because the numbers show that your country's economic management is up the swany since 2001, the best that you can counter with is "believe the spin".

You're wasting our time.



I work in the real world - I am a qualified accountant - I have worked with a range of companies from world class multinationals to small/medium firms.
I'm self employed now and I have hired two people to work for me.

So don't try to lecture me about taking risks and suchlike. I work in the real world.

You're incapable of framing a coherent argument to substantiate a view.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

I don't believe that he graduated in anything, quite frankly.
He hasn't a clue about economics or business.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Billsworld

I own a lumber company,(wholesale) and a real estate development co. I have developed and sold 10 milloin dollars in high end condos this year in the most expensive market in the US. I have the remaining 5 units for sale as we are putting in the foundation for the next 15. If any of you in your think tank would like to buy one I will send you the link to view them. As for as understanding how the tax code is choking small business and the middle and upper middle class. I have a PHD in that. You left wing theorists love to talk about gdp and gnp bla bla bla. Go borrow 10 milion dollars , then make it do something and then pay it back and I will listen to your theory ( and how much you hate the tax code/govt). One example: I bought an industrial oven for my lumber co. in 2000. It cost $200,000. I put down $60,000 and leased the rest. The 60,000 was considered income and was taxed as such.It added the $60,000 to my income that year. ( I wasnt running the lumber co as a corp at the time and if I were it would have only changed the tax burden on the 60g to corporate rates and there is some accounting crap that makes it not all income , but close enough for this topic) The law used to be anything over $10,000 had to be amoratized, it is now more favorable at $100,000. The point is that the tax code is choking small bus. and the middle class. I fully recognize the failure of the Republican party in managing the govt. , but your theories are just theories. My issues with the left stem from the unwillingness to even talk about putting the govt on a diet. Instead I hear about things like open borders and free health care like they have in Canada. BTW I gave Bush a D wurm............... Lim man... If you are ever in the Boston area you can come visit and see all the Irish doing the construction for us. Funny I am not hearing that Ireland is exactly the land of opportunity you claim. And as far as lecturing goes....In spite of its shorcoming I would rather own a bus. in the US or even Eatern Europe than in Western Europe. Socialism didnt work......oh I mean doesnt. Sorry for dismissing your oh so acurate insights on the US

davidmc

The tax code does need to be overhauled in my humble opinion. Parts of it were, no doubt, written in as "favors" to big contributors. It needs to be written w/o special favor's. It should be objective not subjective. Thats one dream of mine. May not happen in my lifetime.

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I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

Billsworld

I gave him a D...gpa 1.5...bad mark..Recognize...huh? Or are we back on Iraq, Iraq, Iraq

Billsworld

I generally dont like to be rude when attempting to discuss politics. My schooling was done with the handicap of dyslexia so I wouldnt desribe myself as a scholar, but I do know what it takes in a general sense of how to run a business. The common sense application of guiding principals far outweighs degrees and book knowledge. Last I checked Bill Gates attended Harvard for 1 year? That said, my curiosity with Bush haters is that they almost always lean left on everything including issues such as health care , immigration, military spending and social sevices. When I apply common sense as how to run a business or even a household the principals are simple ; make more than you spend and live within your means. Ignoring Iraq, Bush , Kerry etc.. for a second. I dont understand what a left leaning govt is supposed to look like. The only examples that come to mind are Western Europe, Canada, Cuba, and the former Soviet Block as the extremes. Maybe I am wrong to assume that the left considers the delivery of services via the govt as a good thing. But my opinion of the left, is that aside from hating Bush, you guys like govt programs for everything. Free schools free health care for all, free tranportation bla bla bla. If the govt. in fact could deliver those things at a low costs we dont need to stop there, we can go to shoes, clothes, food, and give rent subsities for housing like they do in England . As someone that has to make decisions conservatively as a means of survival, I dont care about gnp or a left wing spin on macroecenomics. If you stael money from individuals or businesses to redistribute it to....."others" , it raises the cost of doing business and makes that person or business or country less competative.

Felt_Rider

Walk away from it Bill.....walk away

Don't let their bitterness get to you.

Billsworld

I dont. For the most part it all in good fun. You slummin down this end of the forum?