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Old 26-07.-2006, 09:18 PM   #31
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I Agree! It just does not take long to throw a healthy meal together using fresh whole ingredients. I even enjoy the prep time, (chopping, mincing, slicing & dicing)!

This year, I planted a garden for the first time. I got tired of bland tasting tomatoes from the store that started to rot right away. Now I'm picking my own tomatoes that were grown without pesticides & they are delicious! Every night we eat a fresh cucumber & fresh tomato. I've even picked a few cantaloupes. At least this way, I know for sure what is in my food!


Tomatoes are my favourite, and Insalata Caprese is my favourite way of enjoying them. You're right about shop bought tomatoes, and (as we don't have a garden) i shop very carefully for the best tomatoes, which in general don't come up to the standard of the tomatoes i used to eat when i lived in France or was on holiday in Italy. There's an Italian deli that i sometimes use, that sells really nice imported Italian tomatoes. Buon appetito!

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Old 26-07.-2006, 09:26 PM   #32
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I Agree! It just does not take long to throw a healthy meal together using fresh whole ingredients. I even enjoy the prep time, (chopping, mincing, slicing & dicing)!

This year, I planted a garden for the first time. I got tired of bland tasting tomatoes from the store that started to rot right away. Now I'm picking my own tomatoes that were grown without pesticides & they are delicious! Every night we eat a fresh cucumber & fresh tomato. I've even picked a few cantaloupes. At least this way, I know for sure what is in my food!
I tried my hand at "organic" gardening last year and I wasn't too good at it.

Insects had a feast on my tomatoes and squash

I suppose the Whole Foods Market or Harry's Farmer's Market will have to be my place for shopping.


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Old 27-07.-2006, 04:48 AM   #33
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Nobody need apologize for badmouthing the U.S. government. Rather than being "of and for the people," it is nothing more now than a lobbyist for Big Business. Any U.S. citizen who still trusts our government to "protect" them from anything is just plain ignorant, which unfortunately includes the majority of our population.

This would be the "majority" that dosn't bother to vote in the important off-election years or participate in primaries. Our current government (both parties) is a product "garbage-in, garbage-out". You get what you vote for...
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Old 27-07.-2006, 05:15 AM   #34
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I tried my hand at "organic" gardening last year and I wasn't too good at it.

Insects had a feast on my tomatoes and squash

I suppose the Whole Foods Market or Harry's Farmer's Market will have to be my place for shopping.


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I sprinkled Cayenne pepper on my garden & it kept the bugs away. I also used Miracle Gro potting soil mixed in with GA red clay & I fed it some plant food. That was about it.
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Old 31-07.-2006, 05:58 PM   #35
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As most of you already know, partially hydrogenized oils contain trans-fat, a completely artificial plastic-like substance that substitutes for butter here in the U.S. It's extremely bad stuff, clogs arteries, blocks the absorption of healthy fats, etc. A recent medical study concluded that the safe level of consumption is ZERO. (The American Medical Association, wimps that they are, recently claimed that it's safe to consume 1% of your fats as trans-fats.)

For years, I have stayed away from products whose ingredient labels indicated partially hydrogenized oils. Because of this, I though my diet was healthy. I was very wrong. The corporate whores in the U.S. can legally use other names on the ingredient label, such as modifed food starch, vegetable ghee, margarine, etc. When I recently learned this, and studied the labels again, I found I was eating plenty of stuff with that crap: breads, frozen yogurt, popcorn, jams, cookies from a "health store," some oil-based salad dressings, etc.

So what we have here in the good old U.S. is this: the exact same stuff (for example, margarine) that for so many years has been touted as healthier than dairy-based products is actually deadly in the long-run; when you go to the doctor with high-cholesterol, right away they put you on expensive drugs for life and don't even mention trans-fats. I've checked this with several people who have heart disease and go to cardiologists. Not one has been warned about trans-fats being in so many things we buy. If it's mentioned at all, it's incidental to a general discussion about "eating healthy." Well, that's what I thought I was doing.

I'm wondering - those of you in other countries - what's the story with trans-fats in the food you buy there? I have a feeling that other countries would be better protected by their governments. I might be wrong. But I can say without reservation that the U.S. political system is one of the most corrupt in the world. (Obviously not just because of the above. It's just another good example.)

my theory is you want to be just as worried about what the manufactures dont put on labels, the less food has had human intervention the better the product
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Old 15-08.-2006, 06:35 AM   #36
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I Agree! It just does not take long to throw a healthy meal together using fresh whole ingredients. I even enjoy the prep time, (chopping, mincing, slicing & dicing)!

This year, I planted a garden for the first time. I got tired of bland tasting tomatoes from the store that started to rot right away. Now I'm picking my own tomatoes that were grown without pesticides & they are delicious! Every night we eat a fresh cucumber & fresh tomato. I've even picked a few cantaloupes. At least this way, I know for sure what is in my food!

Try adding some Vidalia onion and olive oil/balsamic vinegar to those chopped tomatoes and cuc's. No trans fatty acids to be found there!
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Old 15-08.-2006, 10:02 AM   #37
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I Agree! It just does not take long to throw a healthy meal together using fresh whole ingredients. I even enjoy the prep time, (chopping, mincing, slicing & dicing)!


+1 MAN! I started cooking al my own meals a few months ago. I'm hooked! I love it so much, I've though about getting into cooking as a trade.

It's a ton of fun, especially when you start messing around with ingredients. Last week I mashed a banana, mixed with olive oil, garlic and some other goodies, then marinated the chicken in it and cooked. It was so tasty!
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Old 15-08.-2006, 11:46 AM   #38
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+1 MAN! I started cooking al my own meals a few months ago. I'm hooked! I love it so much, I've though about getting into cooking as a trade.

It's a ton of fun, especially when you start messing around with ingredients. Last week I mashed a banana, mixed with olive oil, garlic and some other goodies, then marinated the chicken in it and cooked. It was so tasty!
It is amazing how good some flavors combine that you would not normally think would go together. I would have never thought to marinate chicken in a mashed up banana.
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Old 15-08.-2006, 01:37 PM   #39
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My wife and I have almost "lost our taste" for eating out, unfortunately. You can almost be sure you'll be eating trans-fats with a restaurant meal, unless it's an organic or health-oriented place. There's a neat outdoor cafe that we walk to for brunch. Great omelletes, pancakes, French toast (or is that Freedom toast?). We went yesterday and I asked what type of oil they use to fry their stuff in. The manager checked and told me it was a liquid butter substitute. Hydrogenated. But he offered that they could make our eggs using olive oil instead. They tasted fine, so now I've learned something. Sadly, they can't use the olive oil for pancakes, etc., so it's probably adios to them.
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Old 15-08.-2006, 06:27 PM   #40
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My wife and I have almost "lost our taste" for eating out, unfortunately. You can almost be sure you'll be eating trans-fats with a restaurant meal, unless it's an organic or health-oriented place. There's a neat outdoor cafe that we walk to for brunch. Great omelletes, pancakes, French toast (or is that Freedom toast?). We went yesterday and I asked what type of oil they use to fry their stuff in. The manager checked and told me it was a liquid butter substitute. Hydrogenated. But he offered that they could make our eggs using olive oil instead. They tasted fine, so now I've learned something. Sadly, they can't use the olive oil for pancakes, etc., so it's probably adios to them.
My breakfast consists of yogurt, fruit juice, bran flakes, a high fibre fruit (pineapple or an orange) and the part that i really look forward to is a slice of whole wheat bread with peanut butter and unsweetened strawberry preserves. Sadly, i know that peanut butter is loaded with partially hydrogenated oil and i will have to give that up! I just have not found anything that i will look forward to eating, as much as the peanut butter. I have tried organic peanut butter with out PHO, but its not even close. Any ideas?
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Old 16-08.-2006, 01:55 AM   #41
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My breakfast consists of yogurt, fruit juice, bran flakes, a high fibre fruit (pineapple or an orange) and the part that i really look forward to is a slice of whole wheat bread with peanut butter and unsweetened strawberry preserves. Sadly, i know that peanut butter is loaded with partially hydrogenated oil and i will have to give that up! I just have not found anything that i will look forward to eating, as much as the peanut butter. I have tried organic peanut butter with out PHO, but its not even close. Any ideas?

Have you checked the ingredients on the yogurt and bran flakes? I've been eating plain yogurt for years, only to be shocked when I checked the label recently and found hydrogenated oil in it (which can also be listed under its As for the peanut butter, what is PHO? I've bought pure peanut butter in stores and it tastes fine to me. Also, I'm sure you could make your own.
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Old 16-08.-2006, 01:57 AM   #42
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Have you checked the ingredients on the yogurt and bran flakes? I've been eating plain yogurt for years, only to be shocked when I checked the label recently and found hydrogenated oil in it (which can also be listed under its As for the peanut butter, what is PHO? I've bought pure peanut butter in stores and it tastes fine to me. Also, I'm sure you could make your own.

Sorry, my above message got truncated. The aliases are shortening, modifed food starch, modified vegetable starch, vegetable ghey, etc. Also, check your bran flakes - I've found that most cereals have the crap in them.
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Have you checked the ingredients on the yogurt and bran flakes? I've been eating plain yogurt for years, only to be shocked when I checked the label recently and found hydrogenated oil in it (which can also be listed under its As for the peanut butter, what is PHO? I've bought pure peanut butter in stores and it tastes fine to me. Also, I'm sure you could make your own.
PHO is partially hydrogenated oil. Sorry was lazy to type the whole thing. I will have to check the labels on the yogurt and the bran flakes. Thanks for the info.
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Sorry, my above message got truncated. The aliases are shortening, modifed food starch, modified vegetable starch, vegetable ghey, etc. Also, check your bran flakes - I've found that most cereals have the crap in them.
Modified food starch and modified vegetable starch are not aliases for trans-fat. A trans-fat is hydrogenated or partially hydroginated oils. There is no fat or protein in starch - modified or otherwise. Starch is a complex carbohydrate. Modified starch is exactly what happens when you cook a starch, whether it is corn, wheat, potato, etc. The starch turns into a gel, but it is still a carbohydrate and is digested as such and converted by the body to sugar. Modified starch in no way becomes a trans-fat.

I have no problem with the on-going rant about trans-fats, but check your facts about what is and is not a trans-fat. PHO is a trans-fat.
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Modified food starch and modified vegetable starch are not aliases for trans-fat. A trans-fat is hydrogenated or partially hydroginated oils. There is no fat or protein in starch - modified or otherwise. Starch is a complex carbohydrate. Modified starch is exactly what happens when you cook a starch, whether it is corn, wheat, potato, etc. The starch turns into a gel, but it is still a carbohydrate and is digested as such and converted by the body to sugar. Modified starch in no way becomes a trans-fat.

I have no problem with the on-going rant about trans-fats, but check your facts about what is and is not a trans-fat. PHO is a trans-fat.

Upon further checking, I think you're right about this, Rick. My original information came from a book which is no longer in my possession. But I will try to retrieve it so I can check whether the error was theirs, or mine.

Thanks for the correction.
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