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Old 08-07.-2006, 10:55 PM   #16
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Still not a lot of injuries and deaths because of not wearing a helmet but helmet is definitely one of the most comfortable safety components.
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Old 08-07.-2006, 11:24 PM   #17
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Dead in a bike race because of no helmet ! How! The records show differently!
Let me repeat this for you [gavin11756] & anyone who agrees with your line of thinking because apparently you missed it:
Saul Raisin (Credit Agricole) suffered serious head injuries earlier this year DURING A RACE (Circuit de la Sarthe) which would have resulted in his death had he not been wearing a helmet.
I guess you would have preferred it if he had died ...
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Old 09-07.-2006, 01:15 AM   #18
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Perhaps Fabio Casartelli at the 1995 TdF rings a bell?
http://www.bhsi.org/timesart.htm
How about Andrei Kivilev at the 2003 Paris-Nice?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/oth...ing/2842707.stm




Yes I see your pooint here. Fair enough too. If the concrete block wasn't there ( stupid thing to place it there ) he may have survived or died in a fall into the ravin

Check this "Since Testa persuaded the forensic doctor in Tarbes not to perform an autopsy on the grounds that the cause of death was clear, the only record of Casartelli's injuries lies in Disteldorf's report to the coroner. But Testa echoed the Porte line on helmets, saying that even with his usual helmet "he would not have survived". "

I take your point re the deaths here. However deaths due to head injury are a rare as rocking horse shit!

I still maintain get rid of helmets!

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Old 09-07.-2006, 01:17 AM   #19
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Let me repeat this for you [gavin11756] & anyone who agrees with your line of thinking because apparently you missed it:
Saul Raisin (Credit Agricole) suffered serious head injuries earlier this year DURING A RACE (Circuit de la Sarthe) which would have resulted in his death had he not been wearing a helmet.
I guess you would have preferred it if he had died ...


No Alfeng I wouldn't and that's a stupid thing to say! I have taken into account there have been a couple of deaths but they are rare. If they allowed the cyclists i the race to have a choice, many would ride without!
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Dead in a bike race because of no helmet ! How! The records show differently!


As other have said, go ask Saul Rasin
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Old 09-07.-2006, 03:31 PM   #21
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As other have said, go ask Saul Rasin

Go ask a number of rugby players killed every year or who wind up in traction. More than cyclists. What about mountaineers ? Killed by the score!
Face it. Cycle racing isn't dangerous. Any killed is usually through drugs or plain ol' bad luck.

Speaking relatively to other sports cycle racing is tame! The helmet thing is a statistic used by insurance ccompanies. I bet that is what it all about! Insurance. Stats from street cycling not racing!
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Old 09-07.-2006, 07:17 PM   #22
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I think helmets should always be worn,even in/during races.Let me give you an example as to why. I was involved in a race about two weeks ago.Closed roads thus no other traffic except for officials etc. I had an accident and came off my bike at 80 plus km/h (50 miles) hit the road with my head first. If I was not wearing my helmet I would not be around to tell the story.Now let us be serious what would the statistics be of deaths in pro or other races if it was not compulsory to wear helmets? Just my small contibution on the subject.
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I think helmets should always be worn,even in/during races.Let me give you an example as to why. I was involved in a race about two weeks ago.Closed roads thus no other traffic except for officials etc. I had an accident and came off my bike at 80 plus km/h (50 miles) hit the road with my head first. If I was not wearing my helmet I would not be around to tell the story.Now let us be serious what would the statistics be of deaths in pro or other races if it was not compulsory to wear helmets? Just my small contibution on the subject.


The stats of deaths prior to compulsory wearing of helmets (ch is most of last century ) could be counted on one hand!
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The stats of deaths prior to compulsory wearing of helmets (ch is most of last century ) could be counted on one hand!

bit hard to compare. speeds and numbers in the peleton have increased.
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Old 10-07.-2006, 05:17 AM   #25
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You are also looking at riders who are professional and thus a little less likely to fall, despite the higher speeds and closer proximity. I'm sure if you looked at a broader group of racing cyclists -or just people who bike- you would see that helmets have saved many lives, or at least people who have died in bicycling-related incidents were often enough not wearing helmets.
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The stats of deaths prior to compulsory wearing of helmets (ch is most of last century ) could be counted on one hand!


So can the number of times the nuclear bomb has been used...
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Some time ago I received a bollicking from certain people that said I was wrong about wanted the helmets to be optional. I maintained then and now they look bloody stupid, ruin the tradition of the race and have little practical good.

i checked to see the death count on "Le Tour ". of about 5 deaths three were cyclists. No cyclist died on the friggin road. They were drug abusers except one poor bastard in 1936 or something that went off a ravine! one journalist and a motocyclist have died. My figures are open to correction.

So, I make no apology for wanting to make helmets optional. No one gets killed via head injuries during a race. I say get rid of helmets in races. Some bloke broke his teeth the other day. So his helmet did nothing. Some bloke brakes his arm, or does a ligament. What good a helmet ?

OK, I understand having Jan Ulrich riding over your head after you go down is unpleasant, but hardly life threatening.

They rode without helmets for the vast majority of the life of the race. there have been no deaths due to not wearing a helmet, unless they were in a drug induced state and bounced their head against the hotel wall without a helmet!

Helmets on a public street...sure. But in a safe envioronment like a race no!

Can I buy an arguement here. BTW In case you don't know, the race looks great in"google earth"
Excuse me, but this is one of the most stupid posts I have read. How old are you anyway? As posters have mentioned before, you think it's really cool to be dead or severely injured? A race is not a safe environment. And the head is our most valuable bodypart.
Have a look at Saul Raisin's homepage: http://www.saulraisin.com/sitemain/ - see for yourself what he says about it. After all, he's been there!

Besides, I think the riders look darn good with their helmets on. And so do I!

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You are also looking at riders who are professional and thus a little less likely to fall, despite the higher speeds and closer proximity. I'm sure if you looked at a broader group of racing cyclists -or just people who bike- you would see that helmets have saved many lives, or at least people who have died in bicycling-related incidents were often enough not wearing helmets.

Less likely to fall???

Did you watch the first week of the TDF last year, there were about 3-4 crashes on every stage of the first week. Ok it was really wet and the peleton was as nervous as a cat hiding in a dog show compared to to this year may have had something to do with it, but even this year has seen some nasty falls. Take O'Grady (CSC) he has had a fall that cracked a lower vertebre, wonder what his head would have taken?
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Less likely to fall???

Did you watch the first week of the TDF last year, there were about 3-4 crashes on every stage of the first week. Ok it was really wet and the peleton was as nervous as a cat hiding in a dog show compared to to this year may have had something to do with it, but even this year has seen some nasty falls. Take O'Grady (CSC) he has had a fall that cracked a lower vertebre, wonder what his head would have taken?



But a helmet would not help his vertibrae, or teeth, or face or whatever. Dying of headwounds in cycle racing is as rare as rocking horse shit!
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Excuse me, but this is one of the most stupid posts I have read. How old are you anyway? As posters have mentioned before, you think it's really cool to be dead or severely injured? A race is not a safe environment. And the head is our most valuable bodypart.
Have a look at Saul Raisin's homepage: http://www.saulraisin.com/sitemain/ - see for yourself what he says about it. After all, he's been there!

Besides, I think the riders look darn good with their helmets on. And so do I!

A rare instance. Ask the riders what they would like and they would say make helmets optional!


I am not talking about the public street under usual circumstances, but racing only!
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