The Thread about Nothing....

Hitchy

Agreed, my gaze just hadn't got as high as her face yet!

531Aussie

have you seen as talking about The Omnivore guy? He's a Melbrunian with a 'paleo' website (for want of a better term). He wrote a book, then cracked the shits coz it sold crap, so he took all the info off his site.

He's also a big iron pumper and a personal trainer.
http://www.theomnivore.com/home.html

I'll get his book soon.

classic1

There were only 146 entries last year and 123 starters.

Can't see it working. Too far for the euros to travel and no Pro (other than the Aussies-the race means something to them) wants to ride 300kms outside of the main road season.

What are they going to do, get those crap Asian continental teams out? Those Japs at the Sun Tour last year were cannon fodder at best. Even the Malaysian roadies who looked on the up a couple of years ago are crap again. A couple of teams with Poles and slovenians that no one has heard of and thats about it.

531Aussie

they should have it the other way around so there's more chance of a tailwind. Not many easterlies at that time of year

classic1

Hmm. They did years and years ago. I think the Warrnambool shire chuck in a fair wad of cash to have it finish in Warny.

I followed the Lakes Entrance to Dandenong that was brought back for one year in the late 80's. Bulldog won it. 300km+, on some of the deadest roads in the country. Most of the roads between Lakes and Traralgon are made of that river stone stuff. Haemorroid inducing day that was....

531Aussie

I think Dean Woods still holds the record for the fastest race. Must've been a tailwind.

Didn't Besanko have a bad prang a couple years ago, or am I thinking of somebody else?

classic1

Woodsies Record is like 49.5kmh or something!!!!!

Bulldogs had about 20 bad stacks. He's like the Barry Sheen of cycling.

bbp

Well fark me.
The Dellrays at the Annandale.
They started like it was Motown 196?
and went upward from there
and upward
and even further upward.
Good god.

See it, buy it, steal it. Look em up on youtube. Now.
I'm gonna pull out all my old Stax and Volt and Tamla vinyl and fight the cops off at the breach.
Screw capitalism. I'm gonna stay up all night and still have the best day of my life.

Oh and 75 gear inches hurts after all multiples of 13 frosted malt beverages.

Tom Stormcrowe

I don't go 2 grams, I don't want kidney problems later in life. I do gat 1.5 grams/Kilo body mass though and an addidtional 0.75 grams fat/kilo and 1.0 grams carbs/Kilo. Seems to work for me!

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531Aussie

the kidney thing is a bit of a myth. The protein doesn't cause problems, but it may affect people with existing kidney problems

this ain't referenced, but it's the first thing i found in a few seconds
http://weightoftheevidence.blogspot...s-it-again.html

"the reference study (2) states that "there is no
published evidence that strength athletes have increased incidence of
renal (kidney) disease." So, excess protein does not cause kidney stones
or other kidney problems unless there is a pre-existing problem."
http://staff.washington.edu/griffin/musclephys.txt



"Protein does not cause kidney problems unless you already have kidney problems. (How many times do we need to keep saying this? Sadly, most laymen still believe this old myth.)"
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=462024

Tom Stormcrowe

2 questions: What are your medical quals and or your qualifacations as a dietitian?

I am currently a Nursing Student, and have just gone through my Anatomy and Physiology Courses and specifically focused nutritional and dietary training. I am targeting Sports Physiology and Diet as a career path as well as Bariatrics. Granted, you can avoid the kidney damage with sufficient hydration to reduce the concentration of urea produced by an ultra high protein diet, but fractional proteins that the body can't uptake as well as the excess nitrogen and urea in the bloodstream do stress the kidneys. The additionall fluid intake required also increase the amount of electrolyte supplementation you need to do. What you cited was a blog and usenet discussion whaich were actually about Amino Acid Supplementation for body builders rather than the end result of excess protein intake, sorry to burst your bubble... (Also not trying to hit you either, 531.). I'm not referring to kidney stones, rather damage to the structure of the kidney itself re the second cite, from Washington.edu, which I would consider a citable source.

All the body is capable of taking up in form of protein is approximately 1.5 gram/kg body mass, any more simply becomes excess filtrate through the Urinary Tract. This amount also gives quite sufficient excess Amino Acids to promote Amino Acid uptake during the sleep period mentioned in the usenet discussion.

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531Aussie

unqualified: 2/3 of a nutrition degree at La Trobe uni, Melb -- deferred, and targeting nothing. At the moment I just wanna ride my bike and pay of my Visa card

as I intimated, I just grabbed the first couple of quotes of the net I could find. I can't be stuffed looking for cited this and that. I've read cited stuff, we've all read cited stuff, and I'm sure you know there's canyon loads of research out there supporting whatever we want -- all sides of every argument ever!

so, what usually happens in this situation is that one person goes 'bang' with a couple of referenced articles off Pub Med, then the other person comes back with "oh yeah? This journal article is 6 months newer than yours." And it goes on and on. I can't be bothered, can you? It takes a lot of time to discuss something properly, coz you've gotta read the articles to make sure they're what you're looking for; maybe even check the references and read them, too.......etc.

I argued with some vegetarians on Bike Forums, and it's a waste of time, because it's very rare that anyone changes their mind, even when confronted the best available data.

Tom Stormcrowe

That's true enough, and like I said, as long as you hydrate....no foul. Didn't mean to "stuff" you, by the way, but perhaps between the two of us, we'll get some people interested enough to do some looking themselves, eh?

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Gusboh

13 beers and you rode. On a Fixie. Nuts . I don't reckon i'd be able to get the bike unlocked after 13.

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