Quana: I Told You So!

Carrera

This guy is quite right and speaks for many people:
"I am a British muslim but feel absolutely ashamed of all those (muslims by name only) who were involved in plotting to carry out such an abhorent act and who take Islam as a mere cover for their callous deeds. I want also to assure all my English friends that Islam does not approve killing of innocent people nor in fact condone any other violent actions against any other people.
Mohammed, Nottingham"
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thr...3434&#paginator

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darkboong

That is because she is an extremist lunatic herself. Oliver Reed would have been sniggered at if he was lecturing people about the evils of drink while drunk, so she's not alone.



Egypt has a serious problem with terrorism.



I don't justify it at all Crappy. I have unconditionally condemned violence on numerous occasions.



People think differently. Freedom of thought is something that a Daily Mail reader would probably not understand, or thoroughly disapprove of.



It's a --ing bloodbath, and a needless one at that. Regardless of the pros and cons of it the folks out there are seeing the occupying forces ripping the place apart, blowing them to bits, torturing them, raping them, beating them etc...



That won't be at the forefront of their minds as they watch their friends and relatives get beaten, shot and raped by occupying troops. You don't have to *approve* to understand this stuff, you just have to put yourself in their shoes.



Hmm, while giving the IDF *billions* of dollars to spend on military hardware to beat the Palestinians up with. It was a token gesture, and the US has since actively sought to eliminate all funding from all sources.



That's not my opinion, that is Robert Pape's judgement having studied every suicide bomb attack since 1980. He is far better informed than you.

"Bearing in mind that he has studied thousands of attacks I think his judgement carries substantially more weight than your and Mel P's claims."



1) Mel P has a very clear agenda, specifically the continuation of the State of Israel as a Jewish State.
2) Mel P acknowledges that Israel has committed genocide and expects payback.
3) Mel P acknowledges that we (the UK) are complicit in killing Arabs and Muslims by the score around the globe, she expects payback.
4) Mel P never accepts that any Muslim might have a legitimate. Harming a Muslims is "crime free" in her moral vacuum.
5) Mel P has a contradiction on her hands, therefore she invents a narrative that supports the idea of Muslims attacking on the basis of imposing an ideology rather than revenge. Robert Pape's peer reviewed paper squashes that idea flat.
6) ... Consequently Mel P rabidly Islamaphobic and she (and you) like to make up phrases like "Islamo Fascists".

Therefore Mel P is unlikely to offer a rational or indeed accurate assessment of the motivations of militant Muslims. I'll take Robert Pape's paper that is based on empirical evidence over Mel P's conspiracy theories as a guide to the motivations behind these attacks thank you very much.



Liar. Quite the reverse, quote me if you dare.



No denying it, but I don't see any solution to it through violence and repression. All the evidence I have seen indicates that violence and repression are the root causes of terrorism. The hysterical shriekings of an Islamaphobe just muddy the waters. Mel P's agenda is to protect Israel, and in doing so she is caught in a web of hypocracy. On the one hand she condemns violence and on the other she actively supports it.

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limerickman

Wishful thinking.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

Who banned a statement about the security services?

I said to you yesterday - please verify the four attacks which you claim were prevented.

So - tell us which four attacks were prevented.




I saw the news today.

I am also awaiting your telling us about the four terrorist attacks that were prevented.
Any chance that you could answer the question?






You don't know what you're talking about.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Carrera

I don't recall citing a concrete number such as "4". I do know a number of terrorist attacks (or plotted attacks) have been detected. I also know that terrorism specifically in the U.K. has become a major concern to countries as diverse as Pakistan, Israel, the U.S., Russia e.t.c.
I actually warned 4 years ago that the U.K. could find itself in a serious internation wrangle unless attitudes change and the public stops going into denial. Too many incidents are being traced back to this country for comfort.
It's too late to comment in detail over the latest scare so let's wait and see what happens next. However, if they have got it right this time I think we're doing to see some major pressure from the U.S./Europe and a lot of changes.

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Carrera

Yes, many different people ride bikes.

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limerickman

You don't recall?

First page of this topic - You posted this yesterday.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Carrera

Yes, there it is. So? "About 4". More than that I would say, but the adverb implies a non-specific sense, correct?
I'm sorry but I can only call on any other rational poster to clarify the point being made here, If I understand correctly, you seem to be implying there is no terrorist threat to or from the U.K.? Yet. the news has shown images of scenes that don' t agree with you at all. There are queues of people in airports who missed their flights and a major alert in the U.S.
It's unclear what evidence there is at this stage but I don't think the authorities worldwide are going to argue the toss as to whether there is a threat to national security on the basis of the expression "about 4"
Most people would agree with my view that terrorist plots are currently being accessed, analyzed and prevented and these people work around the clock 24 hours. They don't get paid for playing poker.

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limerickman

4 - the number - is specific.

You stated yesterday that terrorists attacks - 4 or about 4 - were prevented.
Can you tell us about these attacks that you claim were prevented?

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Carrera

"So - tell us which four attacks were prevented."

Have you heard of confidentiality?
7/7 is one for a start. I know of several raids in my immediate area. There were videos and banned munitions in Finsbury Park Mosque with proven links to terror organizations. On other occasions explosives and chemicals were apprehended.
The guy who got shot recently and was innocent of actual terrorism did, however, have a record for armed robbery and they later found illegal porn on the P.C. so the raid wasn't totally out of order.
Let's just say there have been scores of raids but if you choose to discard my account or delete the post that's your own choice.
What's your gripe over these houses being raided?

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Carrera

How's about you make your position clear. This seems to be there is no terrorist threat to this country, correct? The other position seems to be no attacks so far have been prevented and such ideas are fabrications?
If that's your view, then please spell it out so we all know your actual position.
Personally I think you've picked a very bad time to argue such a theory.
Please contact the airport at Heathrow and inform them they've got their knickers in a twist over a false alarm as there's nothing to prevent and nothing ever been prevented.

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Carrera

Maybe someone else can explain it as I seem to be getting nowhere.

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limerickman

I've heard of confidentiality?
Have you?

You stated that 4 terrorists attacks were prevented : on this website.
Not very confidential stating that, is it?

Now can you tell us about the 4 attacks that were prevented?




7/7 wasn't prevented.

So that cannot be one of the four terrorist attacks that were prevented.

Keep trying.




really?

Or maybe it's your fertile imagination working over time?




really?

bombs and chemicals you say.

Funny how none of this "evidence" has ever been produced by the authorities.
Maybe that's confidential as well, eh?




.............................that's big of you to admit it




so having porn on your PC, and having a criminal record, entitles the police to shot an unarmed person?





Scores of raids - leading to what exactly? Criminal cases? Few raids have produced court cases concerning terrorism, I'm afraid.

You're a chancer.

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morelike hypocrisy.

Carrera

"4 - the number - is specific."

If you go to the shop and ask for about 4 eggs, how many eggs will you wind up with?
To my mind the assistant is going to ask exactly how many eggs you want.
Today I did about 3 hours on the bike, Could be more, could be less.

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