Ignore if you are not interested in Israel/Lebanon Ceasfire...

darkboong

Says who ? I'll tell you who : The politicians.

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limerickman

Don't mind him - he's a clown.

Crappy's posts are now just taking up valuable bandwidth on this site - space which could be used for more meaningful posts.
He's in total denial now.

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morelike hypocrisy.

Carrera

"But even if it were - how come after 34 days of war - Hizbollah was still able to fire rockets to within the interior of Israel - given the destuction to Lebanon that you claim?"

First, it was crazy to even imagine the IDF could remove Hizbollah in a matter of days. It would probably take anything between 3 - 8 months.
As I understand it these guerillas have bunkers sometimes located under buildings where the rockets are stored. Israel probably destroyed 40 per cent of the total supply (maybe more, maybe less). They also captured some Iranian Guard. The process needed far more time but I'm certain the job could have been accomplished.
Deleted : not on topic.

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Carrera

Sounds like the usual .........[/QUOTE]

Stay on topic, Carerra.

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limerickman

First of all, we're to stay on topic from now on.
Got it?

No wasteful posts about Chechyna or Vietnam.
If you want to post about them - start a new thread.
Threads are to stay on topic from here on in.
Any meandering will be editied.

Second : Israel declared that it was intent on removing Hizbollah that it why it invaded Lebanon on 12th July.
The invasions objectives was the distruction of Hizbollah.

Despite this invasion the rate of attacks by Hizbollah on Israel actually increased as the the conflict drew on.
In fact just before the ceasefire, Hizbollah launched it highest number of rockets throughout the conflict.

Which tells you that the invasion and destuction of Lebanon was in vain AND
it tells you that even with this destruction Hizbollah are still in situ.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

darkboong

You don't present much of an argument to "face" Crappy, mainly because you rarely present credible evidence or even bother to name your sources. When you can present an argument backed by credible evidence that is on topic we'll give you credit for it. In the meantime your deluded ravings will be treated as it deserves.

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Carrera

The Hizbolah problem, I think, is a localised one. To eliminate Hizbolah, there is no alternative but to take the fight directly to Iran. This did cause some uproar in the bar the other night when I expressed this view but Iran can be confronted in a variety of ways.
First of all, it should be spelled out to Iran that it has to stop funding terrorists (period) and it must give up its nuclear ambitions.
If the diplomatic route fails, however, Israel has to take the fight to Iran and cut the head off the hydra, so to speak. This is a view now endorsed by Iranian Americans who feel that if Iran is hit hard, the masses will probably overthrow the mullahs and clerics.
But if that doesn't happen, there is every probability a quick, hard series of strikes will cripple the Iranian nuclear program (or at least set it back by decades).
Hizbollah is just a localised manifestation of a bigger problem and that problem should be addressed. That's my view.

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Carrera

Personally, it seems to me I'm winning (sound the fanfare ). I mean, how would you handle the heat of a bike-race if you cut and run when someone gives you an argument for your money? What happens if you get beaten in a Time Trial (real life)?
I'm battling 1 and against 2 at present (maybe bigger odds) and I'm battling with one hand tied behind my back as Limerickman resorts to either direct deleting of my points or removing the thread, or hinting at such a step or whatever.
Isn't that a bit cowardly? At the end of the day, I'm just a cyclist.
I don't think I'm any more offensive than Wurm and this is supposed to be a heated forum.
What are you so scared of?

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limerickman

I've asked you to stay in topic : the threads topic is Israel/Hizbollah.

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morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

You're assuming that Hizbollah in Lebanon and the Iranians are linked.

In terms of taking the fight to Iran - as you put it - one would have establish that there is a link between Hizbollah in Lenanon and Iran.

In terms of Iran and it's politics - the current goverment of Iran and the Iranian president got 54% of the vote in 2005 general election.
Therefore it enjoys widespread support from the Iranian people and it has a mandate.
It should be noted that the Iranian clerics also back the current Iranian goverment.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

darkboong

I am sacred of deluded bigots exploiting the echo-chamber effect of blogs & message boards to promote violence and terror.

As for the ridiculous sporting analogy : When you play 45+ minutes of Rugby on a cracked kneecap as a #6, then run 15 miles of cross country in the Penines (and come 3rd in the second to last race) then I'll give you some credence. At the end of the day that won't make one jot of difference to the reality that Israel is out of order. So your post amounts to little more than irrelevent trash talk. When you have some evidence + sources let me know.

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BillM

The world does not revolve around me...I am not an Israeli and quite frankly am not the big of a fan of Israel. I think the support that the US gives to them causes us FAR FAR more headache than it is worth. I simply see it this way.....Hezbollah attacked Israel....>the lebanese government and citizens allows this terror group to operate freely in their borders. Israel retaliated and I agree with it.

You can call me a spinner all you want...but being a non fan of Israel...I am simply stating my opinion on the subject.


When these "volunteers" hid behind women and children then I am sure Israel advanced right past some of them.


No...do you?


Public blame...private celebration.


War is hell pal. When you lie down with dogs...you get fleas.


Yeah they were hiding when they rolled into Lebanon....what did they do pack up the town and bring it with them? If Hezbollah invaded Israel you can damn well bet the soldiers wouldn't be mixed in amongst the civilians. They would be uniformed and fighting the enemy openly and vehemently.

Hezbollah hides in the mosques, schools, hospitals....etc. They're pathetic.


The only one whining is you. IDF didn't whine...they simply responded to allegations of disproportionate force. So if you agree that everyone is hostile then their are no innocents and the invading force is going to do what it needs to do. You can't have it both ways.


Nope....but if Hezbollah continues to invade, attack and kill Israelis from Lebanese land then nobody could blame Israel if that is the outcome.



Uh no....you are kind of dense aren't you. Hezbollah attacked Israel. Killed Israelis and kidnapped 2 soldiers. Israel retaliates against the sovereign country that attacked it.

You can try to separate Hezbollah from the Lebanese but they are one in the same. If the Lebanese government allows a known terror organization to operate freely and attack other sovereign countries from their soil....then they get EXACTLY what they deserve.


Too stupid to bother with.


Bomb away if you think you have the sack. If Israel invaded Lebanon then I think Lebanon would be FULLY right to retaliate against Israel.

BillM

Dude...what country are you from?

We lost that war on the network news every night. The people of America were not supportive of that war and if we so chose.....and if our country was behind the cause.....then Vietnam would be a Club Med today.

BillM

Hezbollah didn't suddenly get morals. They are abiding by the ceasefire because they don't want holy hell rained down on them again now that they see what exactly how serious Israel is about defending themselves.

If they were the "victors" as you claim....do you think they would sit idly by and take these attacks?

You can't be naive enough to think that can you?