Neuvation R28 Aero Wheel set

artemidorus

I'm not knocking the Neuvation wheels, and I'm not calling them "cheapo". In fact, they sound like great wheels, but not for a heavy rider like me.
All I'm saying is that I don't think that your reported speed gains are coming from your new wheels, unless your old ones had fried bearings or were rubbing on your pads. There are a lot of upgrade-crazed cashed-up people out there, and if you go telling them that your downhill speed improves >40% with new wheels, many are going to believe you.

piero

As suggested by John (owner of Neuvation), that wheelset suit everyone under 200 pounds/91kg.

My Shimano R500 only has 1000km done so far (perfectly true), but the wheel just not stiff enough for sprint, you can feel the power loss. Also it is not a sealed bearing ...

I did mention on my post the way I test out on the downhill section. I am in the full aero tuck, without pedalling. It could be something to do with my aero position, but I can never reach that speed on the R500 under the same downhill section even with pedalling along. And I still got that data on my computer.

If it is everything you are in doubt, hope this can answer all your queries.

Once again, I believed my 2 test run on this wheel and review is "true and fair" enough as a review for everyone HAVEN'T try on it before.

This is why I mention earlier on my post, I have to post some "long term" report later on. Let time to prove on it's performance, but at the moment there are no factor make me worry about the stability over time. I also wanna show the reality on this wheelset over here as the 1st group of people using that in Aust.

I understand both of us have some different stand point before, but be fair, don't use those $1000+ to side track everyone's decision. always remember those 40mm deep aero rim is on a totally different market, and most importantly which is not practical for use as a everyday training wheel. (Unless you are sure you won't go through any holes)

and what I have been trying to give is a review/long term review on a $395 Neuvation R28 Aero. not anything over $1000 or 40mm+ deep aero wheel.

Once again, don't forget the the take these into account in terms of a good wheel, they are some of the most essential factor affecting the speed other than aero design:
- stiffness
- weight
- spoke
- braking surface
- bearing

nerdag

Most of the gains at those sorts of speeds will be from a cleaner aerodynamic profile. An aero tuck certainly helps.


I'm with artemidorus on this one - speed gains of >35% sound awfully suspicious. I'm not saying you're making it up, I'm just saying that I find it hard to believe that this sort of increase is due to the wheels and the wheels alone.

Two runs are hardly a fair test of any product - wheels included. And its not just simply riding them - how do you control for all the other factors that influence speed? Things like riding position, wind speed and direction, even how you're feeling on two separate days, and the power you're putting out?

Statistically speaking, this sort of test without controlled conditions is meaningless. If you were going to get a statistically significant gain/loss, it'd have to be replicated over multiple tests.



And you have done - it sounds like a very good wheel for its price. I don't think you'll find that many people disagree with you there.

I suspect that in your excitement (and you have every right to be excited), you've probably gone hard and fast the first few times you've been on it, and pushed harder than you have previously. You know, kind of to see how much these wheels can do.


None of these factors (even combined), could come close to a 35% increase in speed.

In any case, you sound like you're enjoying your new wheels (who wouldn't?), and the most important thing is to keep riding and stay upright.

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Hitchy

Hey piero, don't s'pose you weighed them did you?....I'm interested in the 'claimed weight' vs the 'actual'

piero

Agree with Nerdag on some of your suggestion.



Too many uncertainty on the road, the most obvious factor is the wind direction and it can make a huge difference.



I was thinking about posting a more natural review after a month or so, but as requested by another member, this is the reason why I writing up those review after two rides.



Anyway, everyone have to right to trust and believe, I just try to reflect what I got from the 2 rides and that’s it. If you choose not to trust on it, it’s alright, life still goes on, earth still turning. And there are still lots of people enjoying the R28 out there, right?



I will definitely post more long term review later on, as time can really tell the difference and truth.



Hitchy, I have some reading, I mean I weight the wheels last time, tell you the reading tonight.



I just write those reading on the packaging box.

sogood

This sounds interesting. I like the lightness of the wheel and the price and may just break down the barrier for an upgrade.

I wonder if the discounted price was due to the release of R28 Aero 2 models?

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piero

OK, here we come the weight, please note that the measurement (I request the LBS to weight it for me) include the tyre, tube, skewer and 9 speed tiagra for the rear

Reading are as follow:
- Front: 710g
- Rear: 910g

the total weight of the wheelset including all the essential running component on is 1620g as calculated above.

I believed R28 Aero & R28 Aero 2 is pretty much the same thing, but it is just the overseas version and the Australia version.

mysrh

Ey guys, firstly I apologise for the argument arised. I was the one asking Piero to update his experience on the wheels. And I'm new in road bike field, so I don't know anything about wheels, or even factors that may increase the speed because of a pair of wheel.

However, even when Piero said about the increase in speed, I didn't take his words at all since I knew it wasn't a scientific experiment. On the other hand, I do enjoy the update of his experience about the wheel.

So if I end up getting the wheels, it's not because Piero said the wheels increased his speed, but on top of that, the numerous positive reviews from other sites and this forum confirm that the wheels really worth its price. Beside I've also known that the wheel set from Shimano that comes standard with my OCR is considered low end quality. And with the Neuvation wheels, I hope that I can have a feel having a better quality wheel may do to my ride quality.

And I don't think I would ever upgrade to thousands dollar wheels just to gain less few seconds ride unless I have a sponsor to supply me, or getting those 6 digits money from the third party insurance over my acccident.

sogood

I enquired further and received the following from the source,

"It's just a minor hub difference. They are really equal wheels."

I don't know what that minor difference is.

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piero

Hi Mysrh,
It’s alright, don’t have to be apologise for the situation as it is nobody’s fault. Just different opinion here, and it’s good for you to hear something more on different aspect, right? The only thing I am sure is I am a happy man more than ever on the R28, a smart spend on the $$.
I believed your OCR is coming with the R500 right? Should be the same as what I got before.
With the $$ of R28, you might be able to get a pair of R550 (105 grade wheelset by Shimano, but if you ask 10 peoples over the bike shop, I think almost 9-10 are going to tell you that you won't be able to tell the difference between R500 & R550)
There are one reminder for you, the R28 is much stiffer than the R500, that means the power transfer will becoming more efficient and direct on the R28. But one trade off is your butt is taking up more shock from the road, but it is not too bad, but it is just relatively a little bit more shock when comparing with the R500. The carbon component on your bike can offset some shocks from the road as well. But what you get is a much better performance on the bike and more confidence on the cornering.
I always remember a golden say:
“Performance, Comfortability & Price” pick two of them.
What I did before I brought this R28 is I set my budget. So I am pretty sure I know what's available under my budget as A$600, you won't find anythign better than R28 if we are on the same boat.

Hope you find all the information are useful for you.

Keep riding, stay focus and ride safe!!! hope I can see you up on the road with R28 one day.

Cheers,
Piero

sideshow_bob

No mate, these are the weights I'd suggest for the wheels and maybe the rim tape. If the weights included everything you've listed the actual wheel sets would be sub 800g for the set. Tires will be 230g each give or take, tubes another 80g each, 100g for the skewers and the cassette will not give you much change from 250g. All up the 'components' are about 1000g.

Enjoy your wheels but like others have said I'd think your enthusiasm for a bit of new kit is skewing your perspective. Personally I think Neuvations are good value, same as Velocity wheels are. Are they equivalent to $1000 wheels? Probably not, but then again how many people here would be able to tell the difference? In fact how many people on short rides would be able to tell the difference between R500's and Neuvations? Again I'd suggest not many.

--brett

piero

o .. sorry mate, maybe my mistake, didn't think about that, I will check with my LBS again, coz that's the reading they got down for me ...

what you said is make sense to me ... my mistake, I should have check with them beforehand.

make more sense that it is without all the componentry and the wheel itself.

umm ... I will call and ask the LBS later on today

so the 1620g should be the wheelset only.

sorry about my mistake without double checking it. apologies on the mistake

sogood

As the rim tape comes with the wheels, the weight measured would have included it.

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piero

oh .. btw, I change the rim tape, should be fine with the stock one, but as suggested by people's comment on the road bike review, I change it to a better and lighter one.