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Old 14-09.-2006, 10:00 AM   #16
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pardon my ignorance but if the A sample is thrown out doesn't that nullify anything done with the B sample?
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Old 14-09.-2006, 12:42 PM   #17
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Unless the lawyers knew at the time the numbers didn't match and kept it in their back pocket so they COULD challenge the results later.

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It's hardly in the best interests of their client to allow speculation about his guilt/innocence to continue for two months if they had evidence that could have exonerated him.Financially,this has caused Landis enormous damage.If his lawyers had been able to clear his name that damage would not have occurred.
Withholding that evidence would amount to professional misconduct.
Ethics,anyone?
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Old 14-09.-2006, 12:45 PM   #18
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It's hardly in the best interests of their client to allow speculation about his guilt/innocence to continue for two months if they had evidence that could have exonerated him.Financially,this has caused Landis enormous damage.If his lawyers had been able to clear his name that damage would not have occurred.
Withholding that evidence would amount to professional misconduct.
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i'm guessing they didn't have this info for that long. i'm sure floyd would have trotted it out on larry king long ago if he had.
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Old 14-09.-2006, 02:18 PM   #19
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Landis didn't challenge the B sample.

By not challenging he has let two months go by - with his reputation lying in tatters.
That's of course if this "new information" is true.

if it's true now - it must have been true back then.

Also it's my recollection that the opening and testing of the B sample was done in the presence of Landis lawyer too.


I thought that I just read recently that the results of the B test were not released to Landis and his lawyers until just a few days, maybe a week ago? I'd have to search around for it, but I seem to remember that they were quite upset that it had taken so long.
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Oh yawn... even if he gets off due to lab stuffups, which I see is all bs anyway, that does not exonterate landis... it just means he gets off on a technicality...

he's still as guilty as sin...
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Oh yawn... even if he gets off due to lab stuffups, which I see is all bs anyway, that does not exonterate landis... it just means he gets off on a technicality...

he's still as guilty as sin...

Dude your forgeting testosterone is not a short term performance enhancer! The man was framed!!!!
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Dude your forgeting testosterone is not a short term performance enhancer! The man was framed!!!!

It does speed up the body's ability to repair itself... hence stage 16/17 results...

2 + 2 = 4
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I thought that I just read recently that the results of the B test were not released to Landis and his lawyers until just a few days, maybe a week ago? I'd have to search around for it, but I seem to remember that they were quite upset that it had taken so long.
Whatever happened to Northwest Race Report.com? That site has gone to crap? I used to go there to keep up on my NW homies, but no more. Best regional racing site of all time.

And yes, I'm hijacking the thread.

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Dude your forgeting testosterone is not a short term performance enhancer! The man was framed!!!!
He wasn't using it short-term i.e.,during the Tour.He had a transfusion during the Tour of his own blood taken earlier and containing testosterone,which he had previously been using long-term.Trust me...I never lie.
The transfusion (undetectable) explains his recovery...he didn't realise the testosterone was still in the old blood.
Martin Jackson has explained everything...and Martin knows Landis well.

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Whatever happened to Northwest Race Report.com? That site has gone to crap? I used to go there to keep up on my NW homies, but no more. Best regional racing site of all time.

And yes, I'm hijacking the thread.

Everyone down, this is a hijacking!

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I thought that I just read recently that the results of the B test were not released to Landis and his lawyers until just a few days, maybe a week ago? I'd have to search around for it, but I seem to remember that they were quite upset that it had taken so long.
I remember this also. Although this reference below isn't where I originally read it either, it provides similar info.

http://www.floydlandis.com/blog/



"Upon review of 370 pages of documentation provided by the LNDD laboratory at Chatenay-Malabry, Jacobs and a team of scientific experts have found inconsistencies in the testing protocol and methodology that support Landis’ innocence. Jacobs received the official document package on August 31."
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Whatever happened to Northwest Race Report.com? That site has gone to crap? I used to go there to keep up on my NW homies, but no more. Best regional racing site of all time.

And yes, I'm hijacking the thread.

Everyone down, this is a hijacking!


You've got me - I used to use it to post up race photos there, but the albums page broke down and hasn't worked for months. They don't even have a contact person listed on the site anywhere, so I have no ideas on who to get in touch with to tell them.

You could cruise over to http://www.bikecafe.net/NW/ for some NW News
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You've got me - I used to use it to post up race photos there, but the albums page broke down and hasn't worked for months. They don't even have a contact person listed on the site anywhere, so I have no ideas on who to get in touch with to tell them.

You could cruise over to http://www.bikecafe.net/NW/ for some NW News
Look, I found a page. They must still be running it on the server. Check it out: http://www.nwracereport.com/feature..._feat0302_1.htm

This was a regional cycling site. It's as good, maybe better than, velonews.com

Man, the NW lost it when they didn't finance that site. I remember the guy who ran it saying he talked to the WSBA, OBRA and BCCycling to get together and fund the site but they wouldn't. They all wanted their separate news site. Wow. They missed the boat.

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It does speed up the body's ability to repair itself... hence stage 16/17 results...
If you have a bad day and totally bonk one day and barely make it in under the cut off time isn't that considered a rest day... why is it so hard to believe that you can have a bad day and bounce back...
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If you have a bad day and totally bonk one day and barely make it in under the cut off time isn't that considered a rest day... why is it so hard to believe that you can have a bad day and bounce back...
In a recent issue of Bicycling Magazine they have a relatively in-depth interview with him. In it they ask him for an explanation of how he could have performed so incredibly the day after that legendary stage 16 where he performed so poorly. His explanation makes sense. He said that with his power meter he was able to estimate how much more he could give on climbs considering the distance remaining in the stage, and could pace himself accordingly because of it. He then pointed out clearly that his climbing pace (feet per minute?) was actually LESS than that of prior stages, and that on at least one climb during stage 17, at least one other rider was performing better than him in terms of feet per minute. He also pointed out that the reason he looked so incredible that day wasn't so much because he was riding so incredibly, but that the other riders were riding so poorly for a chunk of the stage.

Think about it: Landis bombs on stage 16. He comes back on stage 17 and starts going extremely hard and begins regaining the 9 minutes lost - in relation to the other riders. He's watching his power meter, knowing what his max output is and paces himself accordingly. The other riders, knowing how badly he bombed in the prior stage don't take him too seriously, thinking there's no way he can maintain the pace he is going at and unintentionally allow him to gain the momentum he needed to come back. He's not necessarily riding stronger than he did in prior stages, but looks incredible when comparing himself against the other riders based on his solid performance in stage 17 in contrast to the previous stage, and when compared to the un-wise riding of the others in stage 17.

The media is pathetic much of the time in the spin they put on stories. Thanks largely to them, he's had to go through "trial by media" instead of a proper investigation first.

I just finished reading a book on the history of the TdF and it's FULL of story-book finishes to individual stages and the Tour as a whole from the very inception of the Tour through today. Is it possible he doped? Obviously it's "possible". Did he do it? None of us have any way of knowing the ACTUAL truth other than what the press feeds to us. The ACTUAL truth is guaranteed to be different at LEAST to some degree from what you'll read in standard headlines.

Personally, I'm willing to give the buy the benefit of the doubt first. "Innocent until proven guilty."
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