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Old 20-10.-2006, 09:40 PM   #16
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As I expected, you 2 yardbirds will make up some excuse for the Repigs disgusting behavior. Unfortunately for you, trying to equate what others may have done years ago in no way exonerates Foley, Hastert, and the rest of the GOP that allowed it to happen.

Of course, one wouldn't expect any better from the bigoted redneck bluetrain.
You missed my point. There is no excuse for Foley. There were however lots of excuses for Studds. I am confused though. I thought you lefties were ok with ass pirates like Foley and Studds. I sense a little homophobe in you?? Wait....are you a Stalin Communist.
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You missed my point. There is no excuse for Foley. There were however lots of excuses for Studds. I am confused though. I thought you lefties were ok with ass pirates like Foley and Studds. I sense a little homophobe in you?? Wait....are you a Stalin Communist.
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Foley and the other gay Republicans are lefties now,are they? LOL.
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Old 21-10.-2006, 12:25 AM   #18
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Foley and the other gay Republicans are lefties now,are they? LOL.
Quik fact check.....Nope Studds wasnt a Repub. Had sex with an under aged page. Went on to finish his career in the house without a hickup.
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Old 21-10.-2006, 10:07 AM   #19
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It's not about the Studds matter. It's not about Clinton. It's not about ACLU. It's not about whether Sam I Am likes Green Eggs & Ham.

The issue is about Foley's behavior and the Repig leadership that allowed him to continue his behavior, and the Repig's attempt to cover up their knowledge and complicity of it.

That's the issue.
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It's not about the Studds matter. It's not about Clinton. It's not about ACLU. It's not about whether Sam I Am likes Green Eggs & Ham.

The issue is about Foley's behavior and the Repig leadership that allowed him to continue his behavior, and the Repig's attempt to cover up their knowledge and complicity of it.

That's the issue.
I get it. However Foleys behavior , or "crime" to date can at best be described as poor judgement. At worst it would fall under sexual harrasment because the boy was 18. He is a perv that is unfit for office, but if anyone were to step in to discipline him prior to this, they would have been accused of being a homophobe. As a party the dems seem to have already set the standard for how they deal with such issues;I just dont understand the new concern the dems have regarding gay sex with an under age page it never bothered them during the Studds case
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I get it. However Foleys behavior , or "crime" to date can at best be described as poor judgement. At worst it would fall under sexual harrasment because the boy was 18. He is a perv that is unfit for office, but if anyone were to step in to discipline him prior to this, they would have been accused of being a homophobe. As a party the dems seem to have already set the standard for how they deal with such issues;I just dont understand the new concern the dems have regarding gay sex with an under age page it never bothered them during the Studds case
Again, you can't seem to stay on-topic. You keep reverting to tangents that do not apply to this case in an attempt to cloud the real issues of the Repig's damning behavior.
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Again, you can't seem to stay on-topic. You keep reverting to tangents that do not apply to this case in an attempt to cloud the real issues of the Repig's damning behavior.
Foley is being handled correctly
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Uh huh. Funny, no mention of the House leadership's role in this, and how they're being handled.
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Quik fact check.....Nope Studds wasnt a Repub. Had sex with an under aged page. Went on to finish his career in the house without a hickup.
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Hmm...well...Condi had to get the "strap-on" unit, right? Or was hers already there?

Maybe Ahhnold should go for a grope and ask her to "cough"...
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Give it up, BT. The honorable thing to do is to condemn the perverted scumbags that have done this no matter what your politics are, including each and every Congress member that had any part in covering it up, and then to scream loudly for a good house-cleaning - not to continue to defend the indefensible.
Finally.....wurm has posted something from that basement headquarters of his that I agree with. I think that his mother should let him have "good behavior time' tomorrow and allow him to wander around the back yard and enjoy some sunshine.

Of course, I am sure as I finish reading this thread he will somehow try to blame Bush for the actions of Foley...... but just as a reminder to wurm .... in Bush's Texas they have the death penalty for crimes less then Foleys.......
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At worst it would fall under sexual harrasment because the boy was 18.


How do you know what the page's age was at the time of Foley's actions?

Here is a synopsis of the scandal as rendered by the Christian Science Monitor (Oct. 6, 2006), which I would say is about as even-handed a newspaper as you'll find:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1006/p02s01-uspo.html

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The six-term member representing Florida's 16th district abruptly quit last Friday after ABC News presented to him the texts of lewd instant-message conversations he had carried on with male former pages in 2003. After resigning, Foley checked into an alcohol-rehab facility in Florida, citing alcoholism and "other behavioral issues." Through his lawyer, he also announced that he was gay and had been abused by a clergyman as a young teen, though he had "never attempted to have sexual contact with a minor."


...sure Mark, we believe ya...

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At least one exchange suggests an effort to meet in person with a former page, though it is not known how old the ex-page would have been at the time.


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What is the page program and what problems has it had in the past?

Pages are high school juniors who come from all over the country to work on Capitol Hill as messengers. They live in supervised dormitories and attend a special school for pages. In July 1983, the House Ethics Committee found that Reps. Dan Crane (R) of Illinois and Gerry Studds (D) of Massachusetts had both engaged in sexual relationships with 17-year-old congressional pages - Mr. Crane with a female and Mr. Studds with a male. Both members were reprimanded. Studds went on to win reelection to Congress several times until his retirement. Crane lost reelection in 1984.


Clearly, the page being an 11th Grader would have been a minor, unless he had failed a grade or two and was still a Junior at 18 years old. That seems very unlikely.

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Besides ABC News, what other news outlets and watchdog groups knew of the Foley allegations?

Last fall, the St. Petersburg Times and the Miami Herald received copies of Foley's e-mail exchange with the Louisiana boy. Their sources have not been revealed. Both papers looked into the matter, but decided not to publish anything, because no sources would speak on the record and because the e-mails were ambiguous.

Brian Ross of ABC News told The New York Times he received the "overfriendly" Foley e-mails in August, and published a story on Sept. 28, the day before he presented the more explicit exchanges to Foley. The group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, run by former Democratic congressional aides, got copies of Foley's overfriendly e-mails in July, and forwarded them to the FBI, which chose not to act. The website www.stopsexpredators.blogspot.com, run by a blogger who has not revealed his or her identity in public, was also among the first media outlets to post the overfriendly e-mails.

After that initial wave of publicity, it appears that former pages came forward with the more-sexual material.


So, this doesn't look like a plot by the Dems to wreck the Repigs just before Election Day. More important questions would be: why did the FBI not investigate this as it should have?, and: why is the House of Reps not asking the FBI this?


BTW, those that condemn Rep. Barney Frank, (D-Mass) for being gay should do the same for Rep. Jim Kolbe, (R-Ariz), since Kolbe is openly gay, as Foley (now) is.


Now, if you have factual info about this page's age at the time, please do post it.
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Bill Clinton... Sexually Abused a Subordinate Unpaid Intern in Violation of Federal Law that Protects Subordinates in the Workplace

You forgot to mention the word "consensual"

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instead of spending his Final Four Months Focused on who hit the USS Cole... Don't even get me started on the World Trade Center Attack 8 years earlier when he let the 11th Mastermind get a way.

Are you insinuating that the President is personally responsible for the apprehension of these criminals & not the FBI & the CIA Its a "no-brainer". They broke the law so they were being looked for



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The International Lesbian and Gay Association's Ties to the North American Man Boy Love Association being Exposed in 1994... NAMBLA Marching with Homosexuals in the Liberation Movement of the 70's... Homosexuals Dressing Toddlers up in Drag at these Deviant Festivals to this day while Elected DemocRATS are Honored Speakers for the Movement.

Who cares Only people who have nothing better to do than to give tax-breaks benefiting the upper 3% of society, apparently



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House DemocRAT Leadership allowing a DemocRAT to stay in the House and be Re-Elected after ACTUALLY HAVING SEX WITH A PAGE... That DemocRAT Arrogantly turned his back when the House slapped his hand and gave him a Censure...

Dem's never claimed to be the party of family values as Foley's party has to court the right-wing, religious vote.

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You may find that out. Interestingly. it seems as if you seem overly concerned w/ peoples private affairs as your party (Repub's )wants you to so as to divert attention away from the fact that they have consciously bankrupted the country & started a war they can't seem to finish that has lasted longer than world war II resulting in over 2800 American GI deaths. Are those two important facts in your opinion
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...the difference is that the republicans cater to the "marginalised" until the "marginalised" begin to erode the core republican voters?... what exactly are you getting at, bluetrain? your party is..., what?, quasi-tolerant of voters you find morally reprehensible? come clean, blue train. there are few i would put inside a noose. are there any you would shove inside the noose?

He seems to conveniently leave out the fact that his beloved party (Repub's) are the self-described party of moral values
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As I expected, you 2 yardbirds will make up some excuse for the Repigs disgusting behavior. Unfortunately for you, trying to equate what others may have done years ago in no way exonerates Foley, Hastert, and the rest of the GOP that allowed it to happen.

Of course, one wouldn't expect any better from the bigoted redneck bluetrain.

It was obviously President Clinton's fault. Thats plain to see
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