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25-10.-2006, 05:22 AM

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Re: Madonna's Adoption: charity or ego?

I'm not a prude. I couldn't care two hoots if Madonna cares to indulge her sexuality - just as we guys do if we're honest.
However, I agree with you this all seems a bit selfish. If this African child really was an orphan, sure, I'd be applauding her actions and support the whole adoption. The trouble is, this kid has a dad who apparently cycled many miles to see his son when he was at the orphanage. I think he must care a lot about the kid and the sad fact is this is a man who is too dirt poor to shoulder the burden. He has no option.
So, if Madonna isn't careful she'll be seen as a throwback to the rich, white women who purchased black children as "pets" and split up families. That after she encouraged people to masturbate towards an image of Bush (as a fascist) during a pop concert. Is she really in a position to preach when Bush has also given money to Africa and does actually give to charity too?

I agree this seems to be all about what Madam wants and Guy and co also jumping through hoops to see she gets what she desires.

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Madonna has only concerned herself with Madonna most of her life. Most of her actions in life are about being kept in the spotlight. But that is how a celebrity keeps their star shining. In Madonna's case however, she has always operated on a shock form of noriety. I watched a interview of her during the time when she had that book published. Her father was on the set during the interview and she was going out of her way to embaress him by discussing masturbation in front of a national audience. I realized at that point she was a whore. She has musical talent, but she is a whore.

So now we see she has basically kidnapped a child from Africa. It fits in with the rest of her life.

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25-10.-2006, 05:30 AM

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I'm not knocking her talent. She is talented. She's a hard-working performer and she's also done some good in Africa.
However, I think Madonna is being a bit selfish. I also think we people in the U.S. and Europe also make the same mistakes occasionally - in as much as we are spoiled. For me, it's hard to imagine the circumstances of living on the Phillipines or Africa or Bolivia. The hardest I ever experienced maybe was in the USSR under Gorbachev when I had to queue for hours to buy soup or milk.
I don't think Madonna has thought this through from the perspective of the father. Maybe she can't quite imagine the way it is - she lives a jet-set lifestyle. She's playing God with peoples' lives but maybe doesn't see it that way. The mother would have wanted the stepmother and father involved.

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madge has concerned herself with herself her entire adult life (and, given an article from long ago, a self obsession which developed during her teen years). her desire to be a mother can charitably be portrayed as another attempt at self satisfaction (or her desire to flout "middle-class" mores). the common factor for her is to get her mug in papers, on t.v, or on the radio. as for the assertion that she has musical talent, can you point to anyone who would say that in seriousness? she has a sharp business acumen in her selection of producers, usually getting in the latest underground vibe about thirty seconds before it goes mainstream, but her singing, dancing and political positions have always been derivative. remember her response to sinead o'connor's ripping apart a photo of the pope...ripping up a photo of sinead?!?! she's the stephen king of pop.

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25-10.-2006, 05:36 AM

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Her only defence may be Wurm at this stage as I can see you guys don't like her.

I think Wurm would have enjoyed that part in the concert where Madge invited the audience to tell Bush to go and f***k himself and called Junior a fascist.
Mind you, as I said. Bush may be a fascist but amazingly he has given a lot of money to Africa out of his personal finances which means he must have some good in his soul somewhere?

Now I'm gonna have a few glasses of red.

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i agree, the best place for the lad is with his dad...madonna has enough money to bring him over and be a father to him. Thing is, he will have to go through the UK immigration system same as everybody else who wants to enter this country on legal paperwork and if you are from a 3rd world country your chances of obtaining said paperwork are nil.

You cant just chap on the door and say, i'm poor, let me in. Same as madonna cant adopt a child just because he is poor. He has family, he is not an orphan.

In the UK and probably the rest of the western world, we have charities that let you 'adopt' a family from Africa. Basically they stay in africa and you send them money to start a farm and work themselves out of poverty.

This is a stunt by madonna, she needs to send a few quid over to the family of the boy, give him back and feel good that she has done a positive thing. The boy will be alienated in the UK and will feel lost and isolated. This is a media stunt pure and simple to keep the middle aged slag in the lime-light in a controversial manner to show to the record-buying public that she still has an anti establishment streak despite the expensive London apartment and extravanant lifestyle. Wolfie is right, she is a whore....and what are the adoption agencies thinking? Is she a good mother? Madonna cannot give the child the love and attention he needs. 99% of his live will be sent with nannies. They will grow up not knowing who thier mother is or who they are. Its like the agencies have said, okay she's rich...thats good enouh for us. A child needs more that money, the need a mother and a father who will love them regardless. He wont get that from madona.

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25-10.-2006, 08:51 AM	#19
wolfix Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Still in 1975" Posts: 2,712	Re: Madonna's Adoption: charity or ego? Madonna is a whore...... And I use that word to describe a woman who went in front of national TV and described her masturbation techniques with her father sitting next to her. He was humiliated. If a woman is willing to humiliate her father to make a buck, then she has no real value to me. Her act hanging from the crucifix, that is all about shock value. Anyone can shock, but why does she need to do this when she does have talent? She does it because she is a whore. I think Frank Sinatra reffered to her a such...... Did I mention she was a whore???? If I didn't, let me say it ..Madonna is a whore. __________________ "I rule my world with a cellphone."

25-10.-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfix

Madonna is a whore...... And I use that word to describe a woman who went in front of national TV and described her masturbation techniques with her father sitting next to her. He was humiliated. If a woman is willing to humiliate her father to make a buck, then she has no real value to me.

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not to mention that time when she demonstated how to give a good blow-job to a bottle of wine....then realeased it as part of her movie.

good parent material?

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25-10.-2006, 08:37 PM	#21
willocrew Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Land Of Oz Posts: 265	Re: Madonna's Adoption: charity or ego? she's jumping unto the bandwagon.. __________________ Old World Monkeys, Lesser Apes & Cyclists. Common trait? ~Ischial Callosities~ !!??!

25-10.-2006, 08:40 PM

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Her act hanging from the crucifix, that is all about shock value. Anyone can shock, but why does she need to do this when she does have talent? .

Madonna ... has talent? Huh?

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25-10.-2006, 10:35 PM	#23
Carrera Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 4,816	Re: Madonna's Adoption: charity or ego? Are you guys getting prudish in your old ages? The two girls Julia and Lena (TAtu) have done the same as Madonna. They were invited on a German chat-show and shocked the interviewer and the audience by discussing crude, sexual banter I daren't repeat. So, they shock like Madonna and are anti-war like Madonna. They even wear T-shirts with the slogan "Huy Voyne!" which is "F***k War!" in Russian, ref Chchnya and Iraq. Still, in actual fact, the girls are educated and read Tolstoy and Dostoevskiy when they're not playing up the lesbo role for the media. At any rate, I guess I'm what you might call an equalitarian. So far as I'm concerned if it's O.K. for us guys to crack crude jokes and have loads of girlfriends, I believe women should be equally as liberated. I see both Madonna and the TAtu girls as reasonably educated and "arty" so you have to look at their behaviour in that context. Madonna's slogan was "express yourself" don't repress yourself which appeals to her female fans. Really, my gripe with Madonna is about being selfish and her stage antics I don't take too seriously. The U.S. and U.K. have always been way too prudish. Scandinavia is far more liberal and less uptight. __________________ "Everybody has a philosophy. However, what philosophy you have is a matter of choice, and most people don't make a conscious choice with regard to what philosophy they accept."

25-10.-2006, 10:48 PM	#24
Carrera Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 4,816	Re: Madonna's Adoption: charity or ego? "During t.A.T.u.'s short five years together, the two diminutive, talented beauties have caused one hell of a worldwide ruckus, routinely playing to audiences of 50,000 fans and selling more than 5 million copies of their debut album, 200 km/h in the Wrong Lane. Infamously, they refused to perform at the World Music Awards unless provided with real guns. Explains Lena, 'We wanted real machine-guns, but they didn't give us, so we wouldn't perform, that simple.'" Indeed, so estimable is t.A.T.u.'s pop-cultural cache, than no less an artist than Sting plays bass on the Dave Stewart (The Eurythmics) co-penned track "Friend or Foe." http://www.tatu.ru __________________ "Everybody has a philosophy. However, what philosophy you have is a matter of choice, and most people don't make a conscious choice with regard to what philosophy they accept."

26-10.-2006, 02:13 AM	#25
wolfix Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Still in 1975" Posts: 2,712	Re: Madonna's Adoption: charity or ego? But this thread is about Madonna and not two other girls who I never heard of..... And it's about a lady who wants to adopt a child...... Did I mention that she a whore? If not, I will mention it...... Madonna is a whore..... __________________ "I rule my world with a cellphone."

26-10.-2006, 02:26 AM

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Re: Madonna's Adoption: charity or ego?

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Originally Posted by wolfix

But this thread is about Madonna and not two other girls who I never heard of.....

And it's about a lady who wants to adopt a child......

Did I mention that she a whore?
If not, I will mention it......

Madonna is a whore.....

So am I! Then again I am not adopting children .....although I do have my eye on this 17 year old Swedish girl that might need a daddy.

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26-10.-2006, 02:28 AM

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Have a listen of the girls' music here:
http://www.7-40.com/tatu/english/music.asp
30 minutes was the one they produced with Sting's studio people. I have the original version in Russian which I bought years ago before the girls became famous.

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26-10.-2006, 03:00 AM	#28
Carrera Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 4,816	Re: Madonna's Adoption: charity or ego? Here's a pic of the girls in their F---k War T-shirts they wore at the anti-war concert. And check out the girls themselves! http://www.white-man-killer.com/tatu/wing/tatu0348.jpg __________________ "Everybody has a philosophy. However, what philosophy you have is a matter of choice, and most people don't make a conscious choice with regard to what philosophy they accept."

26-10.-2006, 03:03 AM	#29
Carrera Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 4,816	Re: Madonna's Adoption: charity or ego? Here's another that will have Wolfix and Mountain Pro falling off their bikes. http://www.white-man-killer.com/tatu/wing/tatu0336.jpg __________________ "Everybody has a philosophy. However, what philosophy you have is a matter of choice, and most people don't make a conscious choice with regard to what philosophy they accept."

28-10.-2006, 11:12 PM	#30
Carrera Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 4,816	Re: Madonna's Adoption: charity or ego? Maybe we jumped to conclusions and were a bit harsh on Madonna? She put her side of the story over to the public On Oprah Winfrey and it turns out she may have saved Davie from certain death at the time. Apparently she found him dumped at an orphanage in very poor health and felt bonded to him through his misfortune. It may be the case Madonna was genuinely acting out of the goodness of her heart and we've all assumed the worst case scenario - that she's simply buying herself a new toy. Now I heard her side of the story I think the truth will emerge as time runs its course. __________________ "Everybody has a philosophy. However, what philosophy you have is a matter of choice, and most people don't make a conscious choice with regard to what philosophy they accept."

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